Big Al & CJ Podcast

Buffs Face Utah, Cowboys Come to Denver | Big Al & CJ Podcast

Episode Summary

The Buffs are back from a bye week and heading to Salt Lake City to take on Utah — can Caden Solder keep the momentum rolling? Big Al and CJ break down what Colorado needs to do to win on the road and react to Coach Prime’s groundbreaking “portal scrimmage.” Then the guys turn to the NFL — it’s the No. 1 offense vs. the No. 1 defense when the Cowboys come to Denver. Can Vance Joseph’s defense slow down Dak Prescott and CeeDee Lamb, and will Sean Payton finally lean on the run game with Javonte Williams?

Episode Notes

Big Al and CJ are back — lotion jokes and all — breaking down a big weekend for Colorado football.

The Buffs head to Salt Lake City to face Utah after a bye week, and the guys debate whether Caden Solder can take the next step against a physical Utes team. They talk injuries on both sides, what Pat Shurmur’s offense needs to do to stay balanced, and why turnovers are the key to pulling off a road win.

Al also reacts to Coach Prime’s bold “portal scrimmage,” calling it a trendsetting move that shows real compassion for players entering the transfer portal. That sparks a deeper conversation about loyalty, leadership, and what makes Prime’s staff different from the rest of college football.

Then it’s back to the NFL — the No. 1 offense meets the No. 1 defense as the Cowboys come to Denver. Can Vance Joseph’s defense get pressure on Dak Prescott? Will Sean Payton finally commit to the run game with Javonte Williams? And yes, Al really does compare J.K. Dobbins to Eric Dickerson.

Episode Transcription

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A bye week in Boulder for the buffs, but there was plenty of news coming out of Q. We'll talk about that as well as the Denver Broncos. The number one defense in the league versus the number two offense. What gives at Mile High Stadium this weekend. Let's talk about it.

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Big fellas good to see you man.

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Big Al

Man it's good to be here.

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You know before we say anything man you are something else man.

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Big Al

What's that? What was that?

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You be killing me, man.

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Big Al

That wouldn't be the first time that I've heard something like that. What? That's true. What's that? What? What am I killing you on?

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What's your vibe today? Every day you got a different kind of vibe. What are you on today?

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Big Al

I think I'm just, just relax right now. Just, looking forward to,

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Speaker 3

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Big Al

Just looking forward to a good weekend. I mean, those weather changes kind of, kind of getting at me a little bit right now, and. Okay. That is, it's always something that I, you know, for a guy who has, you know, like that pays attention to what's happening with the weather and the time change that's about to happen.

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Man, you killing.

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Big Al

All this shit is going to happen eventually. Pile on. For a guy like me, I'm not looking forward to the winter.

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What? What to do? What? Why? Why did you do this, man? Why do you do this today?

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Big Al

What's that?

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So? So I appreciate your vibe. I feel you cool breeze today.

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Big Al

Yeah. I'm cool. Breeze out.

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Bro. I won't put the camera on me. Please. I want everybody to hear me on this. Go back and watch. Pick a previous show. Watch him all, watch him all. And I spared him the embarrassment of his lack of lubrication on his ankles. He came in today intentionally. Now, let's go to the tour. You can go there. Go to the gym.

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This brother decided that he's gonna pull his pants up.

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Big Al

Now I got him.

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Joggers across the.

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Big Al

Joggers. These are joggers.

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Bro. Yo, I've. I've known you for almost 40 years. I've never seen your ankles. That shiny man.

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Big Al

Oh, yeah, man, you know? Hey, I don't believe in, You know, I want to save the world. You know, we don't need all that motion and all that stuff to be part of people's, daily life. I think that's ridiculous. But. But I know you were going to bomb on me if I didn't have lotion on today, so I put it on.

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So that's your.

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Big Al

I have lotion on this much on my body and on my hands. That's it.

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Unbelievable, man. Well, look. Congratulate. It looks great. Thank you. I'm. I'm looking at you.

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Big Al

Saying thank you. Thank you. Whatever that means.

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Look, man, the bumps face the Utah dudes tomorrow night in Salt Lake City, al. I'm gonna tell you, man, I'm, we've been saying, you know, over the last three weeks or so, this team plays clean football with the momentum. You feel like, they're gaining, particularly on the offensive side of the ball. I think the buffs can be successful.

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It was a bye week coming off that 2417 big victory a couple of weekends ago against BYU. Oh I'm sorry, against the Iowa State. You got some momentum there. Utah. Conversely, coming off of a tough, in-state rival loss to BYU 21 I think 2421. BYU or Utah five and two. The buffs, three and four.

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I don't know how to handicap the game necessarily. From the records perspective, I don't know that that really plays a factor in this game, but I feel good about where the buffs left off before the bye and their chances against a tough, solid, consistently good Utah football team.

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Big Al

Yeah. And I think that, when you look at that team, you know, it's hard to win in in in college football or in the NFL when you have a negative, differential in turnover category. And last week that happened again for Utah. And they had a muffed punt and interception that was, killer for the, for the Utah Utes.

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Big Al

BYU took advantage of it. And when you go back and look at the game, that's the difference in the game. The two turnovers. And I think that, what you saw out of BYU was the ability to run the football effectively and, and make sure that they could, control the game, whether it's with the running back or the, the, the quick sweep or the wide receiver motion and, tosses.

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Big Al

I mean, they did some, some they did some option things. BYU they mostly played on the perimeter and they had success against Utah. But I think this week, you know, I think that because of the way that that game finished for Utah, they'll be better on the perimeter than they were against, against BYU. And that Kid Bear had a monster game throwing the ball.

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Big Al

He was good. And then now C.J., the kid that was a freshman that wears number 47. Is running with the football and throwing completions now, and BYU looks like, that would have been a big win for us. It looks like that team is going to be a good team the rest of the year.

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I totally agree with that. And by the way, about time you put some Spect on, a bear because you made fun of bear a couple of weeks ago because he was a chubby kid. The chubby freshmen who were number 47.

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Big Al

And this is back.

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Facing a.

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Big Al

Man. I'm not man. I love it.

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If I had a kid right now who play Little League football, I may tell when we look at your 69 gets, you know, 72.

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Big Al

What about six? Nine?

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That's the jersey number.

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Big Al

067. But but, just looking at, looking at that game again, you know, like, if I'm, if I'm the University of Colorado. Don't do that, man. If I'm the University of Colorado, what I'm doing for sure is finding out what a kid number 13 is. If you're opposite of number 13, like, every time you walk to the line of scrimmage, you gotta look at where number 13 is.

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Big Al

For Utah. He is a game breaker. He is a back breaker. He is the guy that makes that offense go for Utah. And they use them effectively against you, against BYU. And that kid is a ten, 200 meter runner. So in high school, the kid average eight, 8.8, yards a carry. So he is the real deal.

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Big Al

They got him playing like a slot receiver kind of right now. And, but right now, that kid is they find out what 13 is when they run that jet sweep with him. It's real.

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Yeah.

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Big Al

It's your ass out on the perimeter. Hold the point and make sure that kid doesn't not flunk.

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You know, listen, you're absolutely right about that. But their success, I think, starts and stops. Speaking of Utah offensively, by the way, they have a kid, a defensive end. John Henry Daily nine sacks already in the season. We talk a little bit about him, but this team is really about Devin Dampier. That dynamic quarterback I think 13 passing touchdowns against four interceptions and five rushing touchdowns.

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He leads the Utes in both rushing and passing. Now the good news potentially for you because he was really banged up. Didn't finish the game against BYU last week. Whether or not he plays is still a question that's in the air. That would be a huge plus for you in their quest to win this football game. If that kid is not on the football.

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Big Al

Yeah, I think he's, he's a weapon. He's a weapon. He's got good mobility. But like you said, when you're talking about an ankle injury, even if he does come back C.J. And plays this week, it's not going to be with the same veracity that he would have played if he didn't have the ankle injury. And that thing was ballooning out of control last week after the game.

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Big Al

So, I don't believe that we're going to see them, see him at quarterback. If we do, you don't have to worry about those same, character traits that he carries as the quarterback with the dual threat of throwing and running. But, that's a big blow to Utah. But, you know, it, you said this year and I was like, it's it's a positive.

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Big Al

I kind of hate when, when you root against somebody because of injury. Like, I think that's I think it's terrible, you know, but that's what you tend to do.

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I do what what.

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Big Al

I mean, you're talking about. That's good for. See you. I mean, you disagree. It is good for. See, you were terrible for that, dude. You know what I'm saying? Like, you don't you don't root for people to get hurt. You know what I'm saying?

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Like, be talking about, man. That's what it.

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Big Al

Sounded like you just did.

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It's not what I did.

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Big Al

Well, what do you say?

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I said it would be good for you if their best offensive weapon is unavailable to them.

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Big Al

You didn't say it like that. You did not say it like that. You said. You said it like almost gloating. Like. Oh, good. This kid is hurt.

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You got to be kidding me, man. That's what it sounded like. I've never seen anything like that in my life.

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Big Al

That's what it sounded like to me.

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Look at me, man. I'm trying to, you know.

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Big Al

Take you in all that damn you and all that damn black you're blending in with everything in here.

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Take this.

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Big Al

I'm calling your ass a shadow from now.

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Speaker 4

Because you know what?

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Listen, I've heard all the black you jokes. You can't hurt my feelings. How about that? About that?

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Speaker 4

Damn.

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Did you want the glass anyway? Look, man, no, I want the kid to to as be as phenomenal and dynamic.

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Big Al

And just not to see you.

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Not again. See you. Yeah. Bottom line I agree. Bottom line, by the way, you didn't even mean what you said when you said that. I am rooting against the kid. You know better than that. Also, now there's a flip side to this. As well as football of course injuries, player injuries happen.

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Big Al

Yes.

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Injuries apart, we have to deal with our share of injuries as well. The top two rushers I think for see you or two of the most dynamic running backs that we featured this year. Both Price and Taylor are out for the buffs, so the load is going to be on. Hayden and Welch now both I think are as good as the other team, but we certainly won't have that depth at running back that we've seen.

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So far this year.

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Big Al

There's something about Welch that, I get a little more excited about seeing him because he's, he's a little thicker at the lower body, and the. And he gets small, like, it reminds me of, it just reminds me of a guy. I would.

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Say ab.

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Big Al

No, no, it's it's he's he's got the smoothness of a guy like a marshall Faulk. The the guy this coaching him. Right.

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So high praise.

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Big Al

Yeah, it is, it is. And I'm watching him run and he's compact. He's got a strong lower body I just I just want to see what he can really do in extended time. Although they, they, they've been they've been good here of last 2 or 3 weeks offensively with the, with the plants that they've had. So, I'm, I'm looking to see what Pat Shurmur can bring to the table this week.

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I mentioned John Henry Daley. They're they're dynamic and offensive in is the number nine just pops off the stat sheet right after what seven games. He has nine sacks I mean but what was your single season sack? High at CU.

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Big Al

I think it was 12.5 or something like that. I think, in an 11 game season. So I think that I think it.

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Was after 11 games this year, he's gonna blow your number at the water. But the point is.

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Big Al

I mean, they also playing in a league that throws a damn football. I played against option football teams.

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Why are you always gotta, like.

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Big Al

Well, I'm just like, you know, like, I'm like, man, you know, back when I was a bad back when I was playing football, if there was a team like we played Illinois, we play Illinois. My, my, my junior year, it was the first time I had ever played against a team that had a drop back quarterback.

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Jeff George.

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Big Al

Jeff George, who ended up being the first overall pick that year. And we just we just tagged his ass all game. I mean, it was it was cannabis. Art Walker myself. Gary, how you know, everybody got hits on this show because we don't see I mean, you everybody that played in our front seven just had a tremendous field day because we had never played against a team.

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Big Al

We played against Iowa, Iowa. We had a drop that quarterback. So the two quarterbacks that you know that we played that had.

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That was our junior year.

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Big Al

But that's that was our junior year. Yeah. So when we played against those two teams, man, it was it was like it was it was wonderful. Right? It was wonderful because they threw the ball like 35 times a game. You know, like nobody in the big eight threw the ball 35 times. Game.

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That's true. Now now we started this conversation off with me giving praise to the young kid for having nine sex.

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Big Al

I think that's huge.

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After seven games, and all you want to talk about is to drop back quarterbacks. You.

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Big Al

I'm just telling. I'm just telling you it's a much different game. It's a much different game. I mean, I'm hey look, I'm I'm cheering for all these guys to have the best careers that they possibly can have. Whether they play him for you will see you.

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Well, why are we not talking about his career and his career?

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Big Al

His career is off to a great start right now in this. The season to the end, the season, the season with nine sacks right now. That's huge. That puts him in a draftable position right now.

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That's that's exactly right. That's the kind of commentary I was hoping to get from you.

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Big Al

Well, I mean, I just gave it to you.

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I mean, I heard about you two.

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Big Al

Well, you just said he had a better career. He's going to he's going to blow my numbers away. I'm like, dude, if I got like, you know, 200 passes in a year, I like to just think about that. So. So let me tell you how I don't.

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Want to think about.

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Big Al

It now. I want to I want to I want to give you I want to give you how this really works in, in football. So if a quarterback drops back 40 times a game, how many times, how many times? If you got a four man front, how many times is that to sack the quarterback? If he drops back 40 times.

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Or if you divided by four, if you divide it by four and say everybody gets an equal shot at second quarterback, that's 10s per player.

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Big Al

No, man, you got to you got to multiply it times for idiot.

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What are you talking about.

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Big Al

So so if he drops back 40 times right. So yeah.

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So there are four guys who could possibly sack wait.

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Big Al

Till you get, yeah. That's right. You get 160 attempts at getting them on the on the ground.

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But don't call me an idiot again. Well, I'm.

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Big Al

Telling you, I mean, I know, but why would you divide it by a team?

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Because 40 snaps. If each defensive player.

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Big Al

On every play, you have to assume everybody has.

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And everybody can't get a sack on every play but you.

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Big Al

I have to say, four guys have a chance to get a sack on every play. That's 160 attempts at getting the quarterback sack.

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Why am I arguing with a humanities major?

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Speaker 4

Oh, oh, that's so low. And it's.

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So why am I.

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Speaker 4

Doing that?

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Hey, man, I'm saying, can we move on?

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Big Al

All right, we can move. All right. Look, man, that was so low.

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I like cuz again, particularly, I think period is a key. If he can't play, I think that changes the dynamic big time. But at the end of the day, I think this game is again, I hate to say it because I hate to put the obvious pressure on this kid, but this is about Caden, soldier man. This is about whether or not this kid takes the next step in his progression.

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If he's starting this game with nine touchdown passes and against four interceptions, if he leaves this game with that number four staying as it is, see you I think wins this football game. I think that's the key. I don't care about the nine whether or not the nine becomes a ten or an 11 I don't know. But if the four remains a four, see who wins this football game.

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Big Al

I say see you wins the football game if there is a zero in the turnover category.

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Big Al

I think that's just that's how we win at the University of Colorado. If there we have you know what's been clear to me is that this team is talented. We've been talking about this team and how it looks since training camp, we've told you that the offensive line is a much improved offensive line. And it's the fourth biggest offensive line in all of college football.

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Big Al

We told you that there is talent at the wide receivers and running back position. We were thin at running back since training camp. We had we had we had injuries at running back position, in training camp. So they they've been hodgepodge of of of players playing the running back position for some time now. But I'll tell you, the talent level on the offensive side.

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Big Al

Yeah. Outweighs the talent of the defensive side. Maybe 2 to 1. Yeah. I mean it's a really good offensive unit defensively. We played a sound game the last time we saw the University of Colorado it was gap sound. It was guys playing where they were. They were supposed to play and playing with it with great efficiency and the kind of vigor that you need to to win a football game.

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Big Al

So I believe if there's zero turnovers, okay, if there's zero turnovers and the defense plays assignment football like they did last time, we're going to win the game.

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I think that as well said. And so with that in mind you know being the eternal optimist that I am I get see you in this game tomorrow.

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Big Al

3128 I think the University of Colorado winning this game on the road is going to be a dogfight. Utah has traditionally had a great defense, but once again, this offensive talent that we have is just undeniable. I'll take the University of Colorado with two. I'll take them 30. I'll take it 32, 24.

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Okay I like that. Hey, before we get off the buffs, I saw something this week or last week that coach Prime did that I never seen before. And I didn't think I would ever see it. In fact let's just pull up the clip he'll describe. Describe it for you.

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Speaker 3

A lot of you guys that don't get to play, you're going to get your chance today. Yeah. But this is this is your chance.

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Unknown

Oh, gosh. I thought they would come.

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Speaker 3

Yeah, if I say so. My stand on, because I'm not crazy enough to think that. Oh, you're going to be in this room next year. Somebody's going to jump in the portal. This is an opportunity for you to get support of this dude.

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Big Al

Right.

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Posted a portal scrimmage. Yes. This is unprecedented. In fact, it's counterintuitive. I remember last year, Matt Rule, the head coach at Nebraska who is petitioning lobbying the world to be the next Penn State.

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Big Al

Head, no doubt, which.

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I think is ridiculous. But that's it. He canceled a spring game to keep eyeballs off of his players, protecting them. This is, I think, what separates Coach Prime of. I always think in terms of of leveraging the rules as they are to your advantage. He's a step ahead of everyone. Now. You'll begin to see this more and more, I guarantee you.

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Just as we've seen players go hard in the portal to get their lui, get their luggage, when he was originally really, really crucified. But he was criticized big time for it.

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Big Al

Not everybody does it.

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Not everybody.

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Big Al

There, every every coach that comes in does exactly what he.

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Does. That's exactly right. This guy hosts a portal scrimmage, get you some good film on tape. Let's get you to where you can be so that you can play football. Because it's not likely or I don't know if that'll be the case here in Colorado. That's why the young man who participated at the University of Colorado love that guy.

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Big Al

You know, I think that, you know, Sanders is a case study of, what's right with football. Now, I've been critical about his game management at times. I've been critical about his management of coaches at times. But, you gotta always understand and know that I've known this guy since 1991, 1992. He has been the most consistent person that I've been able to run across my entire professional football career.

00:20:21:00 - 00:20:42:17

Big Al

And and I met him at a, slam dunk contest. Oh, okay. That slam dunk contest. And it was a Foot Locker slam dunk contest in Boca Raton, Florida. He was cool. We were in the van together. We were cool. He was. He was in the league, and I was coming into the league. And we were just talking about things and everything, and it was it was a cool situation then.

00:20:42:19 - 00:21:09:18

Big Al

And to see him on the sidelines for the University of Colorado, it just does nothing except bring complete joy to me and the guys that he's tried to bring around the guys to explain what it is to be, a high level football player, whether it's, Michael Irvin or maybe it's the guys that he has that have go jackets on the staff or Warren Sapp or, the great Marshall Faulk.

00:21:09:18 - 00:21:31:10

Big Al

As we mentioned earlier, the have that kind of access to those kind of players. For college athletes, it's unusual. Most coaches would not invite those kind of players onto the roster, because what they believe is that those guys will, once, they're there, try to stab him in the back and try to get the job for themselves. Coach.

00:21:31:10 - 00:21:59:12

Big Al

Finally unique. Yeah. Oh my goodness, man. I mean, listen, y'all, you know, I, I had a coach once tell me that you would be surprised, especially in the NFL. You'd be surprised at how often coaches go behind their coaches backs to talk shit about them. We go behind the back, I believe I believe it happens way more, than you believe.

00:21:59:12 - 00:22:04:15

Big Al

And once it happens, what they intend to do is to step up and take that position.

00:22:04:15 - 00:22:12:19

But why? Why would that be more more the case or more likely with former great players? It seemed to me that that would be that.

00:22:12:21 - 00:22:30:08

Big Al

Because because you have a great player on the team and most most likely when you have a great player on the team, the kids listen to that guy more than they would any other person. And, you know, like I had the great Barney Chavis, that was on our coaching staff.

00:22:30:08 - 00:22:30:29

Special man.

00:22:30:29 - 00:22:48:10

Big Al

Yeah, that was on our coaching staff, while I was playing with the Denver Broncos. And Barney, was an assistant offensive line coach, and I was like, that's the dumbest shit in the world. I mean, you're talking about. That's some of the dumbest shit in the world.

00:22:48:11 - 00:22:50:17

One of the one of the great defensive linemen and one.

00:22:50:17 - 00:22:59:04

Big Al

Of the greatest defensive linemen to have ever played the game of football is an assistant offensive line coach.

00:22:59:06 - 00:23:00:02

Yeah.

00:23:00:04 - 00:23:26:28

Big Al

And I could never figure it out. You know why I think I think I think everybody who was on the defensive side must have looked at Barney like he was, you know, they're intimidated by what he brings to the table because he understood and know how to play know he knew how to play the game. Yeah. I used to talk to Barney about things that I was seeing from offensive tackles, and he used to give me pointers.

00:23:27:00 - 00:23:29:18

Quietly. Quietly? Yeah.

00:23:29:18 - 00:23:32:28

Big Al

You know, in his office, you know, we we play chess on you.

00:23:32:28 - 00:23:35:14

Tell me how to whip your ass in chess on a regular.

00:23:35:14 - 00:23:41:17

Big Al

Yeah. He whipped my ass in chess almost every damn time we played. But he taught me how to play, right? So he would sit there.

00:23:41:17 - 00:23:43:15

That's. That's one coaching.

00:23:43:17 - 00:23:43:28

Big Al

That's a.

00:23:43:28 - 00:23:44:24

Week that didn't go.

00:23:44:24 - 00:24:03:15

Big Al

Well, but we we we would sit there and Barney would have all these guys come into his office, and it was crazy. You know, we got, you know, big Red bull. Come. Who played the Bronco? We have Tom. Tom would come, I mean, you you you you when you look up, I mean Tom Jackson, Tom Brady.

00:24:03:16 - 00:24:21:02

Big Al

So you have all these guys that were that mean huge parts of the Denver Broncos culture. You had guys like, Simon Fletcher will come back. And I was like, I'm like all of these guys, all defensive guys. And he's over there working with the fucking offensive line.

00:24:21:02 - 00:24:21:28

Yeah, yeah, you.

00:24:21:28 - 00:24:23:00

Big Al

Have to sense to me and.

00:24:23:00 - 00:24:23:18

Security.

00:24:23:20 - 00:24:45:26

Big Al

Yes, man. And I think that most, most defensive coordinators they didn't want I would imagine they didn't want to have Barney Chavis on the, on the team because he, he said that's not going to work. We probably will listen. That's not going to work. Yeah. You know, some improper techniques or, you know, plan playing a position out of, you know, out of theory rather than out of what it really feels like to play it.

00:24:46:00 - 00:24:47:29

Big Al

And I think that happens all the time in football.

00:24:47:29 - 00:25:02:13

I think you're I mean, you're right. It's it's it's particularly in football and coaching staffs, it is a, you know, who can I trust. And that's the beauty again. Yes. Of a of a coach prime like you know, listen I.

00:25:02:17 - 00:25:09:03

Big Al

The head coach that what's the head coach that is, at, San Diego State right now?

00:25:09:06 - 00:25:10:16

Sean, I he was the former offense.

00:25:10:24 - 00:25:11:14

Big Al

Yeah. What's his name?

00:25:11:14 - 00:25:21:14

Sean. Kent Hagans on that staff. Yeah. Great. There. And and, Sean saw what? Saw.

00:25:21:15 - 00:25:48:27

Big Al

Okay. So, so when you mentioned another guy, Darian Hagan, was on the staff and was no longer on the staff when Coach Brown because he wanted guys who was loyal, who were loyal to him. Now, that hurt our great friend Darian Hagan. But for me, I totally understood exactly what that meant, because you gotta have people around you that you trust, like, you know, is Darian Hagan or Sean going and talking to Rick George about what's going on on the staff.

00:25:48:27 - 00:26:07:13

Big Al

And I'm like, you know, just and you just don't want it. You just don't want it. So you got to have your guys, and and you know, what's crazy to me is we have one of the greatest quarterbacks who have ever played college football. Okay. And Darian Hagan never coached the quarterback position. Yeah. And the hell is that?

00:26:07:15 - 00:26:09:17

Big Al

The hell is that? Okay.

00:26:09:19 - 00:26:14:23

I hear you and and and listen that I've had that I've had that conversation with him. How does that.

00:26:14:23 - 00:26:16:00

Big Al

Okay.

00:26:16:02 - 00:26:21:26

How is that okay? It's how it's how it's how you are perceived. And that's and that there's he.

00:26:21:26 - 00:26:25:07

Big Al

Was one of the greatest quarterbacks in the history of college football.

00:26:25:07 - 00:26:36:18

And and never and I'll be honest with you guys I'm right there next to him every day. Never really given credit for his cerebral ability, his ability to play the game from the neck up.

00:26:36:18 - 00:26:37:16

Big Al

Yes, yes.

00:26:37:16 - 00:27:01:19

People credited him with great athleticism, great athletic ability, as if he was just a quarterback, a running back who played quarterback. Nothing could be further from the truth. That's a perception deal, right? But I think and we've had this conversation black quarterbacks have had to overcome and think if you think back to the 80s, that was you know, I know, you know, it seems like yesterday to us.

00:27:01:22 - 00:27:05:12

But those that's two generations ago. Yeah. Where you know.

00:27:05:19 - 00:27:13:24

Big Al

Guys like Warren Moon had to go and play in the Canadian football, to get an opportunity to play, in the NFL.

00:27:13:24 - 00:27:24:11

And we see it to this day. You know, we've seen a great deal of progress when it comes to black coaches on coaching staffs. But it's not a prevalent thing when it comes to quarterback coaches.

00:27:24:11 - 00:27:25:03

Big Al

Yeah.

00:27:25:06 - 00:27:26:10

Or offensive coordinator.

00:27:26:10 - 00:27:27:11

Big Al

Yes. Yes.

00:27:27:11 - 00:27:39:00

That's not where the progress necessarily. It's progress is outpaced that other positions on the coach as coaches and not so much in those sort of positions that are thought to be more cerebral.

00:27:39:02 - 00:28:01:20

Big Al

You know, and I think when I look at coach Prime staff in particular, he has guys that are former players. He has guys that are coaches that understands those positions probably better than every staff that he's playing against. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like I had a coach, man. I had a coach, when I was in Cincinnati.

00:28:01:20 - 00:28:05:10

Big Al

I want you to hear this because this is this is kind of this is kind of how this is a.

00:28:05:10 - 00:28:06:09

Good story, a bad this.

00:28:06:09 - 00:28:06:27

Big Al

Is a great story.

00:28:06:27 - 00:28:08:00

Because he did a lot of bad stuff.

00:28:08:00 - 00:28:28:12

Big Al

And it's a it's a great story. But this is kind of why shit didn't work in Cincinnati. So I first of all, you have to have coaches on your staff that you trust, okay. But the other side is they have to be efficient and what they know and how they how they, how they go about teaching. It has to be at a professional level.

00:28:28:15 - 00:28:41:06

Big Al

Okay. At the university, at, in Cincinnati, Ohio, while I was there. I want you to hear this shit because you won't believe it. Okay? We had.

00:28:41:08 - 00:28:42:10

Three.

00:28:42:12 - 00:28:51:07

Big Al

First round draft picks. Plan on the defensive line. We had, Big Daddy Dan Wilkerson was the number one overall pick.

00:28:51:10 - 00:28:53:00

When he go to school with the Ohio.

00:28:53:00 - 00:29:00:23

Big Al

State. You had John Copeland, who was the number? He was a fifth pick in the draft. And then you had me playing on the defense.

00:29:00:23 - 00:29:01:19

Copeland Alabama.

00:29:01:19 - 00:29:29:09

Big Al

Kid Copeland from Alabama. Okay. And, we had a defensive line coach who had never coached the offensive line coach in Big Daddy Dan Wilkinson in his rookie year. He had never coached the offensive line. He was hired because he was a friend of the head coach, and he was teaching, a technique to Big Daddy. And, and I said, that's it ain't right.

00:29:29:12 - 00:29:34:04

Big Al

I said, don't listen to that shit. I said, that's not right. That's not how you do it. You know.

00:29:34:05 - 00:29:37:07

You corrected the coach on the hell you in real time. Yeah, yeah.

00:29:37:10 - 00:29:55:06

Big Al

I said, that's not right. That's not how you do it. That's not how you get in the stands. And of course, me and the coach, you know, going back and forth and then Crum. Right. To his credit, the great Tim Crum Rye came over and said, hey, hey, take it easy on him, Alfred. I'll, I'll I'll, I'll talk to him.

00:29:55:08 - 00:30:00:21

Big Al

Meaning I'll talk to the head coach. Right. And he was like, Alford's right. That's not the right technique. You know, you have to do it like this.

00:30:00:22 - 00:30:01:24

He lost all credibility.

00:30:02:00 - 00:30:02:24

Big Al

No, no.

00:30:02:26 - 00:30:05:01

That coach lost all credibility.

00:30:05:03 - 00:30:06:19

Big Al

Why? Why was he in the position?

00:30:06:19 - 00:30:07:29

That's, you got three.

00:30:07:29 - 00:30:10:19

Big Al

First rounders, man. Like this should be your pride unit.

00:30:10:23 - 00:30:18:12

He was set up. Fulfill you. I totally agree with him. We see a lot of that. You see a lot of that in sports.

00:30:18:14 - 00:30:32:25

Big Al

But not on Coach Prime stat, right. You don't see a lot of that on his staff. The guys who are professionals and have worked their way through the ranks are coaching, in that vein where they have played or coached for a long time.

00:30:32:25 - 00:30:41:12

When Marshall Faulk says to a running back, yes, this is what you need to do, and no one is questioning whether or not Marshall Faulk knows what the hell he's talking.

00:30:41:12 - 00:30:55:09

Big Al

Yes, if Warren Sapp says to you, hey, this is the technique that you need to use, you know, and this is how you're supposed to go about it, then you don't you don't second guess that guy. Yeah. You see, I'm I'm saying this so this is a unique situation here.

00:30:55:09 - 00:30:55:22

I agree.

00:30:55:22 - 00:31:19:09

Big Al

And then that opportunity that coach from just presented with D2 these guys C.J. that was that was heartwarming because we know that these kids only now have one window in the transfer portal. There's not a there's not a portal that opens in after the season. And then one opens after spring practice. There's only one portal, and it opens up for like 15 days at the end of the college football season.

00:31:19:11 - 00:31:34:07

Big Al

So the reason that he gave these guys that opportunity to be, to be seen to put on film was to help these guys get another opportunity to go play ball somewhere else. That's a that's a man being a man.

00:31:34:08 - 00:31:50:12

And and here's the thing that I love about it. And we going to switch gears. Talk about Broncos here a little bit. But what I love about it is you know coaches grow right. We've talked about sort of the maturation process for Coach Prime as a game day coach. Yes. Right.

00:31:50:13 - 00:31:50:24

Big Al

Yes.

00:31:50:24 - 00:31:54:05

He's gotten better I'm good with that. Like we yeah we know that that's true.

00:31:54:12 - 00:31:58:06

Big Al

I mean he's he doesn't he doesn't have a ton of experience as a head coach.

00:31:58:06 - 00:31:58:21

Exactly.

00:31:58:21 - 00:32:01:28

Big Al

He's learning on the job if you will. But and he's he's getting better.

00:32:02:02 - 00:32:23:05

And but the things you can't teach are oftentimes the things that are the most meaningful. Right. Like the being secure enough in oneself to say, hey, I know you guys. I'm going to be honest. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm cool with the reality that not everyone on this roster now is going to be here. A lot of you guys are going to enter the portal.

00:32:23:07 - 00:32:39:16

And when you do, I'm going to give you the best shot at being successful. Let's get you some. You come out here and you compete your butt off. We're going to put some good. And in fact, he went even further. He said, I'm going to make sure that it's cut up right and packaged right. And you tell me where.

00:32:39:16 - 00:33:07:18

And I'm making the calls. I mean, the guy is you can't teach that. Yeah, that's not learning how to be more efficient with timeouts. The clock management coaches grow into that. That's fine. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's cool what he's doing. You can't teach again. Matt Rule is canceling spring practices to keep eyeballs off of those kids, regardless of whether or not they are going to play a down for him next year or at any point in the future.

00:33:07:21 - 00:33:17:18

That's the stuff I'm talking about, man. And that's why I get excited. Like a lot of people don't understand, because they look at it very tuned in a very two dimensional way. Did he call the timeouts in the right spot?

00:33:17:18 - 00:33:18:14

Big Al

Right? Right. No.

00:33:18:14 - 00:33:19:19

Hey, this man is the clock.

00:33:19:19 - 00:33:20:24

Big Al

Yeah. Get that. Yeah.

00:33:20:25 - 00:33:39:11

College football is a lot more than that. It's a lot more than that when you're talking about being responsible for being an example to young, impressionable men and and women. Yeah, yeah, boys and girls. And so I'm gonna get off my soapbox there, but I thought that's.

00:33:39:15 - 00:34:06:26

Big Al

A great move, though. I'm glad you showed that clip because that is that's unusual. You'll never you'll never. I guarantee you, he's the only coach in college football that has the nerve to pull something like that and say, look, we know that you won't all be back here. Let me give you great film so that you can shop yourself to another program that that takes tremendous courage, and it shows compassion on his part.

00:34:06:28 - 00:34:11:02

That that is absolutely right. You'll see it more now because he again.

00:34:11:02 - 00:34:12:03

Big Al

He said trendsetter.

00:34:12:05 - 00:34:31:20

He set the trend what schools copycat and do it and they should. I'm glad that they will. Now let's switch up man. The Denver Broncos. Something else that's unusual. We have the five and two Broncos playing host to the three, three and one Dallas Cowboys. The number one offense in league versus the number one defense in the league.

00:34:31:23 - 00:34:34:17

What gives in this football game.

00:34:34:19 - 00:35:01:15

Big Al

Well the best part about this is that the Denver Broncos are playing at home. And when you are playing against, tremendous offense and you're playing at home C.J. It is the best advantage you can have. You know what I'm saying? Like if. Yeah. Because what ends up happening is that eventually, you know, and and this is why I'm bringing up playing at home eventually the offense will say something, right?

00:35:01:15 - 00:35:23:18

Big Al

They have to say they have to communicate. Once they communicate one time in a hostile environment, and they give the check. Football is, you know, it's a complicated game, but once you make the check, your you're log that in the memory and it makes the defense that much quicker because now you know for a fact that this is what's come in.

00:35:23:21 - 00:35:45:11

Big Al

And I used to love playing against great offenses here because once I heard them audible to something like, let's just say like, they said, let's just say like a, no, like like a flower. They say rose, rose, rose. Okay, okay. Oh, Rose. Is that mean? Right? Or does that mean something else? And then you hear like tulip, tulip, tulip I'll say okay.

00:35:45:11 - 00:36:10:15

Big Al

So flower what does flower mean. So they they've done it twice. Right. They've done it twice. So every time they've done it they've, they've run this play. You see what I'm saying. So okay. So every time you hear a flower you know what I'm saying. Or animal or sometimes it would be like a letter, like if you just heard James or Jack or Jill, you know, like if you can't, if you, if you keep a log of it, man.

00:36:10:15 - 00:36:14:02

Big Al

I'm telling you, man, you just start to rip that damn offense apart.

00:36:14:03 - 00:36:16:06

And the reason why is because when you're at home.

00:36:16:06 - 00:36:16:19

Big Al

Yes.

00:36:16:19 - 00:36:22:13

They don't have that. The crowd noise prevents them from being they have to kind of stick with what they got.

00:36:22:14 - 00:36:42:23

Big Al

You see the hand signals or it's, verbalized. That's it. That's the only two ways you can do it. You offensive linemen don't have, speakers in their headphones. I mean, in their helmet. Only a quarterback. And after 25 seconds, then that quarterback loses all control, conversation with the sideline. So playing at home, man, I like the Broncos, man.

00:36:42:23 - 00:36:44:19

Big Al

I do like the Broncos win this game.

00:36:44:25 - 00:37:06:19

I think, you know it was funny, man. Before we before you made that point. Like you kind of on a roll when making some gets you through when you, I, I was I didn't know, you know, I'm, I always have confidence in in Vijay's, defense. The Cowboys defense isn't very good, but I'm not sure how good the the Broncos offense is.

00:37:06:21 - 00:37:23:07

But having said what you said, I think when it's strength against strength Cowboys offense Denver's defense the advantage you have to give to that defense. And and in fact Vijay actually had some some thoughts about what it would take to get this done this weekend.

00:37:23:10 - 00:37:41:03

Speaker 3

When you're playing the best in this league, you have to move on to the next play, because if you don't, that play can, you know, kind of, you know, snowball or 2 or 3 big plays. You know, it's a great offense with with two great receivers, with experience quarterback with a running game. So it's it's it's the NFL dream offense.

00:37:41:03 - 00:37:57:18

Speaker 3

You know with a kicker who can make the kicks from, you know for 50 plus with ease. So it's a, it's a it's a challenge for us. But I'm excited about it. You know, if you want to be the best, you got to beat the best. So hopefully we put our best foot forward on Sunday.

00:37:57:20 - 00:38:15:09

You know what Vijay got a little bit of, was the head coach at Notre Dame back in the day. Lou Lou Holtz, D.J. doll got a little Lou Holtz. Any man, every team he plays. Man, we going to have to play our best. I don't know if we can beat we we. And you know what? He's absolutely right.

00:38:15:11 - 00:38:32:27

He mentioned I remember him talking about Jackson Dart. I remember him talking about the quarterbacks. And he's against teams that aren't very good. But they there's a way that they can beat you. They cause problems for you. And the way he analyze this. Now listen no one's so.

00:38:32:27 - 00:38:34:04

Big Al

That is.

00:38:34:06 - 00:39:02:24

Exactly it. And no one's going to sneak up on, or the Dallas Cowboys and sneaking up on anyone. Everyone knows that this is a great offense, but I think. And then he mentioned to that kicker, Brandon Aubrey, who has kicked the 64 yarder, he's almost he is a problem once you get to midfield, which I think might impact the way Sean Payton calls this football game, because once he gets to to your 45 yard line, you can pretty much chalk up three points.

00:39:02:24 - 00:39:27:28

That's how good this guy is. But I think, you know, recognizing that your strength on your defense is your ability to pressure the opposing team's, quarterback. Again, Dallas's strength on their offense is their ability to protect Dak. It's only been sacked I think seven times this year. In eight games or in seven games. And so they've done a great job in protecting him.

00:39:28:00 - 00:39:37:15

And then you add to that the number one or the number two rusher in the National Football League to this point. Now I want to ask you a question man.

00:39:37:17 - 00:39:38:27

Big Al

Which is Javonte Williams.

00:39:38:28 - 00:39:39:18

Is Devonte.

00:39:39:23 - 00:39:43:15

Big Al

Right here in Denver. And we politely push him out the door.

00:39:43:15 - 00:40:01:24

Both teams I think have to run the ball effectively in order for their offenses to be I think that's the biggest addition to Dallas is success is the ability to run the ball. The Denver Broncos are are trying to find their way. They're the best running back in this game.

00:40:01:26 - 00:40:23:03

Big Al

Hoo. That's a good one. You know Javonte well we know well and you know suffered an injury and he's come back stronger now. It's taken the requisite amount of time for him. And you know Adrian Peterson kind of makes, you know, get an ACL, a lower body injury. You know what he did? You kind of think everybody's going to do that, right.

00:40:23:05 - 00:40:52:09

Big Al

It's just now taking Devonte the right amount of time. And he's at his best right now. But J.K. Dobbins, another guy who had a lower body injury I think it was an ACL for him as well. He's he's he's different. He is a I think he's the best running back in this game. J.K. Dobbins, I believe, is, he's, you know, he runs a little bit like Eric Dickerson when I see him play, you know?

00:40:52:09 - 00:40:58:25

Big Al

So I like, I like, I like Jake. He's a taller running back. He's a taller running back. Oh, I'm running back.

00:40:58:27 - 00:41:03:13

Hold on, man, hold on. You said he reminds you of Eric.

00:41:03:13 - 00:41:05:04

Big Al

Eric Dickerson Eric Dickerson.

00:41:05:04 - 00:41:07:10

Have you ever seen Eric Dickerson? Yeah.

00:41:07:13 - 00:41:08:00

Big Al

I played against.

00:41:08:00 - 00:41:10:01

Him. And he reminds you of him.

00:41:10:01 - 00:41:34:24

Big Al

Yes, man, I'm telling you, he's got some. He's got great vision. Once again, he's a taller running back. And he's got he's got a tremendous stride. I mean, he's, he's it's, it doesn't look like he's moving that fast, but he's moving. I mean, Jake Dobbins, if you fit that guy 20, you know, like that, like they said, Terrell Davis, I see this guy running for 2000.

00:41:34:27 - 00:41:39:12

Hey, he puts camera on my face. Please.

00:41:39:15 - 00:41:42:06

Speaker 4

00:41:42:09 - 00:41:45:25

Big Al

I'm telling you, man, that kid can play, man. I mean, I.

00:41:45:27 - 00:41:47:11

Think he's a good football player.

00:41:47:12 - 00:42:03:01

Big Al

I'm running telling you, man, he he's got something to him, C.J., he's got great vision. He's got he's got make you missed, he's got speed. He's he's he is a he's a problem to defenses. I mean, he's a problem. The defense.

00:42:03:01 - 00:42:04:01

I couldn't hey, listen, he's.

00:42:04:01 - 00:42:23:28

Big Al

A but you know what's crazy? I'm gonna tell you what's crazy behind nowadays, okay? We have a coach and Sean Payton who won't call run plays until they're up in the game. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's the problem, right? That's why. That's why you can look at Javonte Williams say, wait a minute. Wait what. How is Devonte Williams putting up all these numbers?

00:42:24:00 - 00:42:39:17

Big Al

You know why. Because they believe in running the football in Dallas. Yeah. And we didn't believe in running the football with Javonte Williams here in Denver. So I'm telling you JK Dobbins is a problem. He's a problem I would love to see that guy get 20 plus carries a game.

00:42:39:24 - 00:43:01:12

And I think I think you're right about that. I do think Dallas has found a way to be a more efficient, consistent running offense where it opens up things for the passing game. The Broncos haven't figured that out yet, and I think they don't want to do it well. If they don't want to do it, then I think that begins to swing the pendulum in the other direction.

00:43:01:17 - 00:43:07:15

I think the winner of this football game is the team that can establish the most consistent running attack.

00:43:07:15 - 00:43:12:09

Big Al

Well, that would be Dallas for quarters. That would be Dallas. That would be Dallas, perhaps.

00:43:12:09 - 00:43:23:21

I have a little bit more faith in the fact that Sean Payton has gotten to the point, finally, where he can honestly say, look, we have to be a better rushing in a more I don't know.

00:43:23:23 - 00:43:46:19

Big Al

I've been watching this guy. This is my third year watching this guy call offensive plays. And it is frustrating, when you consider who he is as an offensive play caller, he just doesn't believe in it. It's just not who he is. You know? It's not like he doesn't have players witness Javonte Williams okay. Yeah. Witness JK Dobbins given the opportunities.

00:43:46:19 - 00:44:11:10

Big Al

You know what I'm saying. What I think his carries this year in the high teens the most he's carrying I think he he had you know his numbers are fantastic when he gets a chance you know. So you know you but you also talking to a guy who, by the way, congratulations to Mike Shanahan. Being selected, on, on I think the, the the list for the finalist for Hall of Fame.

00:44:11:13 - 00:44:34:27

Big Al

Well-deserved. Yeah. You talking about a guy who really just loved the running back position and, fed those guys that played that position. We had multiple 1000 yard rusher year after year. And when you look at, look and see what his son Kyle Shanahan is doing in San Francisco, I think Christian McCaffrey had his greatest day last year running and receiving.

00:44:34:29 - 00:44:48:19

Big Al

You know, so we're talking about guys who know how to use the running back position. I don't. And and I know that he knows how to use the running back position because he had Alvin Kamara. But he just does not want to do that here in Denver I don't know what that is.

00:44:48:19 - 00:44:55:03

Yeah. And Alvin Alvin was he was he wasn't a just feed him the ball kind of guy. And so I.

00:44:55:03 - 00:44:57:16

Big Al

Think the two back system yeah they had a two back system there.

00:44:57:18 - 00:44:59:01

But Alvin caught a lot of pass.

00:44:59:01 - 00:45:00:03

Big Al

Yes yes yes.

00:45:00:04 - 00:45:10:02

No. And you're right I think. But I do think the Denver Broncos have to commit more, to being a good running. That's the that's how you slow this. Yes. That's how.

00:45:10:02 - 00:45:11:28

Big Al

You get to defense when man.

00:45:12:00 - 00:45:14:05

Defense win the game. Hey, I'm with you on that.

00:45:14:06 - 00:45:19:21

Big Al

You know, let your defense win the game. You know, the most talent on this team is on the defensive side of the ball.

00:45:19:21 - 00:45:20:21

Play to your strength right?

00:45:20:21 - 00:45:21:08

Big Al

Yes man.

00:45:21:10 - 00:45:25:11

Well, there was a bit of a kerfuffle like there were.

00:45:25:14 - 00:45:26:13

Big Al

What the hell is that.

00:45:26:13 - 00:45:27:24

Kerfuffle.

00:45:27:27 - 00:45:33:24

Big Al

Is there's a curfew with truffles.

00:45:33:27 - 00:45:40:10

Speaker 4

Oh. No. What the. What the what? It is there a way?

00:45:40:13 - 00:45:40:22

You know.

00:45:40:22 - 00:45:41:07

Big Al

Truffle.

00:45:41:12 - 00:45:46:29

Sometimes. Sometimes if you let the sentence kind of breathe, you can make sense.

00:45:46:29 - 00:45:55:04

Big Al

Well, you didn't finish. Please. Didn't you say you. Do you like that up? You said it. Hey, I think I could have figured it out if you would have kept it going.

00:45:55:04 - 00:46:22:10

Okay. Listen, Caleb. My bad. You're right. There was a bit of a kerfuffle with. And I think is more said we, I, we laugh at it was a little bit more serious than that with the comments that the Denver Broncos head coach, Sean Payton made about a former player that played for him when he wasn't even playing in the game, that he was going to, that he dressed up for when the Giants came to town.

00:46:22:10 - 00:46:28:00

I think we have the, the tape here of Sean Payton.

00:46:28:03 - 00:46:31:23

I tell you, yeah, we'll we'll come back to within a second here. But,

00:46:31:25 - 00:46:32:19

Big Al

Let me, let me let me say.

00:46:32:19 - 00:46:36:07

I want, I want to give you the space to because you had a particular thought and feeling about. Yeah.

00:46:36:07 - 00:47:03:22

Big Al

So I've from the very beginning of Sean Payton's tenure here in Denver, there was a problem that existed with Sean Payton and Russell Wilson. First of all, Russell Wilson took total advantage of the Denver Broncos and its, and its organization. When he signed his contract, he had his own personal chef. He had to on owned facility, personal chef.

00:47:03:22 - 00:47:31:18

Big Al

He had, his muscles that, were part of the, organization. He had his own parking spots. He had his own office upstairs. This is shit that you ain't never seen in the NFL. And at no point in time have you ever seen this kind of individual treatment. He was almost given, assistant head coach type of, type of responsibility around the facility status.

00:47:31:18 - 00:48:03:05

Big Al

Yeah. Status. And it was it was so bad that everybody in Denver was surprised by it. And it leaked around the NFL. And Sean Payton heard about it, came in and stripped him of all those things as he should have. But what happened after that went a little further. He began to berate and talk about this guy on the sideline, and eventually ended up leading to him, Benton's, Russell Wilson, for the last, I think, 3 or 4 games in favor of another player.

00:48:03:05 - 00:48:23:19

Big Al

But the way that he went about it, it was embarrassing. And every player that I've ever seen or known that I talked to about this situation thought it was classless. And the way that he treated Russell Wilson on the way out was, didn't need to happen. Listen, you can cut a guy and say it's not going to work and just be done with it.

00:48:23:21 - 00:48:44:03

Big Al

But when you start doing the things that he did and Russell Wilson's only year with him here in Denver, you can you can't say anything except, he, he he made it look like it was, a punk move, and I didn't I didn't like it. Yeah. Never liked it. Talked about it, on my daily radio show.

00:48:44:03 - 00:49:07:29

Big Al

Every time I had a chance. Because there is a right way to do things, and there's a wrong way to do things, and he did things the wrong way, and it showed and that, the the yelling and cursing out on the sideline against the Detroit Lions, in a primetime game, that was it. And, I just couldn't, I couldn't I couldn't respect what he was doing with Russell Wilson in that instance.

00:49:08:01 - 00:49:15:28

I am with you is particularly for a guy who may be a Hall of Famer, Super Bowl champion, played in two. Should have been should have been to, Super Bowl.

00:49:15:29 - 00:49:18:09

Big Al

He should have been a two time. He should have been a two time Super Bowl.

00:49:18:09 - 00:49:31:28

With that said, he's earned. Regardless what you think about him, I think he's earned his stripes as a professional in this league and one of the great quarterbacks of his era. Now, that said.

00:49:32:01 - 00:49:38:01

Big Al

And it may be done with him. It may be done for Russell Wilson. I don't know if he'll ever get another chance. Start another I.

00:49:38:01 - 00:49:39:15

Think, on another career.

00:49:39:15 - 00:49:48:26

Big Al

He's, he's and it's been and I think he knows that now. Like he knows that his career is basically over. Yeah. This was his last chance in New York.

00:49:48:27 - 00:49:50:15

Yeah. So it's over.

00:49:50:15 - 00:49:59:15

Big Al

It's it's pretty much over. And he's finally unloading on Sean Payton after Sean Payton sets.

00:49:59:18 - 00:50:23:01

Big Al

Some said some bullshit. Actually, you said some bullshit after the game that was directed at Russell Wilson. He said he talked to Mister Morrow, who's the owner of the Giants, and said, we were kind of hoping that you would make the change to Jackson Dart after our game, because I quite honestly, what it infers is that we wish that Russell Wilson would have still been your quarterback.

00:50:23:02 - 00:50:25:15

That's right. It had been it had been an easier game for us to win.

00:50:25:15 - 00:50:27:17

Big Al

That's what he said. That's what that that's how we.

00:50:27:19 - 00:50:28:12

We all took it.

00:50:28:14 - 00:50:29:27

Big Al

Everybody took it that way.

00:50:29:29 - 00:50:38:24

That's exactly right. And so here is what Siri sounds Peyton sort of non-apology apology if you will I, I did look in.

00:50:38:27 - 00:51:12:08

Speaker 6

The euphoria the way that game unfolded. That was strictly about dart. I mean, and I think that was in no way, shape or form anything that was, directed at Russ. So, you know, you know, I might be able to see how he might perceive that, but, coming off that win and watching how he played, yeah, that, that wasn't any intention at all.

00:51:12:10 - 00:51:22:01

Trying to give it. Yeah. That that's that's B.S back, I tell you, that's B.S. because to and you invoked him you you.

00:51:22:01 - 00:51:29:06

Big Al

Couldn't even have to mention his name. You could have just said, hey man, that kid dart man. Hey, that kid's going to be special. That's it. You didn't have to mention Russ his name.

00:51:29:07 - 00:51:31:11

That's it. Or insinuate that you're talking about.

00:51:31:11 - 00:51:45:15

Big Al

Exactly. So that was listen, man, that was once again, man, you just didn't have to do it. You didn't have to do it. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I think his plight has been to embarrass Russell Wilson every opportunity that he gets.

00:51:45:15 - 00:52:08:15

And I resent I don't like that. I think that's classless. That is as classless, particularly given the status and the history of your relationship. One might think that Sean Payton might be super or hyper conscious of the words he say and how they may be perceived. And if he's not, then that tells a another story that's not very.

00:52:08:17 - 00:52:09:05

Big Al

Flattering.

00:52:09:05 - 00:52:14:28

Flattering about Sean Payton as well. And so, look, I don't want to belabor it. I thought it was a move, to be honest with you.

00:52:14:28 - 00:52:17:12

Big Al

Yeah, I thought it was. It was it was not good.

00:52:17:15 - 00:52:37:08

Yeah. It was, it was beneath the dignity of any head coach in this league, particularly one who's had a measure of success. So not cool, Sean. You know, just keep if if you feel a certain way, I guarantee you that players who you probably coached today or coached before who don't have a lot of great things to say about you, keep it to yourself, man, and be a professional out and have your business.

00:52:37:08 - 00:53:00:00

Big Al

Yeah, I would, I would also like to add that in this case, you know, and I've said this several times, I've said this, I've said it one time, I've said it 100. Okay, finally, Russell Wilson said something to Sean Payton, even though it was through a tweet, he finally defended himself publicly, like, why did it take you so long?

00:53:00:01 - 00:53:23:18

Big Al

You're a grown ass man with the wife and kids. Why did you let America take shot at you? As long as America's been taking shots at you from a sports community before you finally spoke up, it's been bugging the hell out of me since it started. And now that you finally responded, are you responding now? Because this may be it for your NFL career?

00:53:23:21 - 00:53:42:00

Big Al

Or are you responding because this guy has touched your last nerve? That's the only thing I can think of because you should have responded months ago. You should have responded years ago when guys that were former teammates were throwing you under the bus. Finally, you show a real backbone.

00:53:42:02 - 00:53:50:17

And perhaps we'll get an answer from Russ at some point as to why he didn't address the naysayers and allow himself to be a former teammates.

00:53:50:17 - 00:53:52:11

Big Al

Threw him under the bus, bro.

00:53:52:12 - 00:54:11:24

Yeah, no. And listen, I again I don't like that locker room stay. You know locker room stuff stays in the locker room. But that said, I think you summed it up well. And again, perhaps we'll hear from Russ as to what his mindset was, as to why he didn't address it. So who do you have in this game this weekend?

00:54:11:26 - 00:54:30:21

Big Al

I got, you know, I like the Denver Broncos, man. I like the Broncos because I think the defense, with that home crowd is good. And once again, I think the best offensive play caller in the red zone is Sean Payton. I think he is perhaps the greatest red zone play caller I have ever seen in my life.

00:54:30:23 - 00:54:36:28

Big Al

And if they get the ball in the red zone area, I feel good about them scoring touchdowns on field goals.

00:54:37:00 - 00:54:45:05

All right. I'm kind of there in terms of my thought process. I think if the Denver Broncos offense can get to 25, they can win this game.

00:54:45:05 - 00:54:47:21

Big Al

Most teams that get to 25 win games.

00:54:47:23 - 00:54:50:16

Well, I will say this if if the because of the.

00:54:50:21 - 00:54:52:29

Big Al

Common statement.

00:54:53:02 - 00:55:19:04

Given that we're talking about the most prolific offense in the National Football League, holding them below 25 is a tall order. They're not playing the Cincinnati Bengals. They're not playing the Cleveland Browns. They're not playing these anemic offenses that we see in the National Football League. They play on the number one. So the number two to say this is what makes 25 a little bit more.

00:55:19:05 - 00:55:23:07

Big Al

No. But that I also infers that you have to score 26.

00:55:23:10 - 00:55:26:28

No, because you're going to hold the opposition to 24 or less.

00:55:26:28 - 00:55:32:16

Big Al

Okay. So you saying that we're going to score 25. It's not an easy task in this league.

00:55:32:19 - 00:55:33:25

Listen, man, you're all over the place.

00:55:33:28 - 00:55:42:28

Big Al

I'm just telling you what a play. If a if a team averaged 25 points per game, they're going to be in the top 6 or 7 scoring offenses in the NFL.

00:55:42:28 - 00:55:50:22

You know, do you know how many points a game the Dallas Cowboys average over 30 I'm so if you score 25 against Dallas you're not likely to win again.

00:55:50:23 - 00:56:10:20

Big Al

Listen listen C.J. What I'm telling you is that 25 points in the NFL is a lot of points. So don't say that we score 25. Like that's an easy thing. We have to score 33 points in the last quarter to win that last football game. 33 points in a quarter. You probably won't ever see that again. I thought in your life go ahead.

00:56:10:22 - 00:56:14:12

This is this is chick like stuff from you, man. This chick like stuff.

00:56:14:12 - 00:56:17:17

Big Al

Oh what is chick. Why don't you say what you really mean?

00:56:17:20 - 00:56:18:28

Oh I said what I really meant.

00:56:18:28 - 00:56:20:09

Big Al

Well, what is chick like stuff mean?

00:56:20:09 - 00:56:21:09

You just want to argue.

00:56:21:10 - 00:56:29:19

Big Al

I don't want to argue. I'm just letting you know that holding the team to holding the team to 17 points is what you want. A great. Hey, man.

00:56:29:19 - 00:56:36:03

Listen, I bring up the kid from Utah and his nine sacks. You want to get. Hey. Yeah, but I would have had ten after seven.

00:56:36:06 - 00:56:38:03

Big Al

I did not say that. I said I did.

00:56:38:05 - 00:56:38:15

Against.

00:56:38:15 - 00:56:38:29

Big Al

Teams.

00:56:38:29 - 00:56:57:26

That had the Cowboys. If you if you if the offense can score 25 that means your defense again that's a big number. If that means your defense against the number one offense had a pretty damn good day, that also meant that your offense did what it needed to do against one of the worst defense in National Football League.

00:56:58:03 - 00:57:07:00

Oh, there's levels to this stuff, man. It's a little bit more. There's more context to it than just give me some broad base in the NFL back in 1995.

00:57:07:06 - 00:57:19:07

Big Al

I'm not talking about like that. I'm just telling you in general, man, you're not going to see very many scores that are going to be over 25. As a matter of fact, when we talk again next week, let's count how many teams score over 25 points.

00:57:19:07 - 00:57:20:18

Against the Dallas Cowboys. No, no.

00:57:20:21 - 00:57:22:19

Big Al

No no no in the NFL.

00:57:22:20 - 00:57:26:04

No against the Dallas Cowboys defense. And they play the Dallas Cowboys.

00:57:26:04 - 00:57:27:04

Big Al

I know that okay.

00:57:27:04 - 00:57:28:02

That's what we're talking about.

00:57:28:02 - 00:57:32:05

Big Al

This particular matter like our offense has been ripping it up. It's good to see.

00:57:32:05 - 00:57:33:01

Them yes.

00:57:33:01 - 00:57:33:11

Big Al

Make.

00:57:33:11 - 00:57:34:15

Plays agree.

00:57:34:19 - 00:57:38:08

Big Al

But if you just run the football and you say consistent there.

00:57:38:08 - 00:57:42:05

I don't care what you do, you could take 25, take the air. Listen, take the air.

00:57:42:05 - 00:57:50:08

Big Al

Out of the offense. Make Dallas go into a must pass situation. You do that by running the football, keeping the clock rolling.

00:57:50:09 - 00:58:05:12

Here you go with that cantankerous shit again, man. That. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what what you. I don't know what what happened, man. I don't know what Christine had said to you before you left the crib when you.

00:58:05:14 - 00:58:09:05

Speaker 4

So.

00:58:09:07 - 00:58:15:15

Speaker 4

You, man. But I heard about that.

00:58:15:17 - 00:58:22:26

Speaker 4

I can't, I can't beat it. What's. I'm drinking water, bro. David.

00:58:22:28 - 00:58:23:17

Look, man.

00:58:23:19 - 00:58:26:08

Big Al

What came through my nose.

00:58:26:11 - 00:58:27:03

Amen.

00:58:27:05 - 00:58:28:26

Big Al

Oh, my goodness. Don't do that ever.

00:58:28:28 - 00:58:31:27

Can we bring it back? Can we, can we, can we? Truce.

00:58:31:28 - 00:58:33:01

Big Al

Right. Go ahead. All right.

00:58:33:01 - 00:58:46:25

I think I'm picking the Broncos as well, because I think the offense against this, one of the worst defenses in the league, if not the worst, will meet the moment and score plus 25.

00:58:47:01 - 00:58:53:10

Big Al

I'm saying it's a three point win for the Denver Broncos. 2320 2320 Denver Broncos okay.

00:58:53:11 - 00:59:02:17

Ooh 20 you holding this offense the 20 that's okay. Yeah I'm with that. With a kicker who can boom from 64 to.

00:59:02:17 - 00:59:30:28

Big Al

60 4 to 2 Phil. And by the way if if you didn't know that there's been a lot of conversation about kickers this year and, and, what's happening. So in the NFL, what used to happen is that you used to have to give the officials the footballs, before the game, and then the officials would check the balls and they would go into a kickers bag, and then those bags would stay there.

00:59:30:28 - 00:59:56:03

Big Al

But you had to I think you had to give them like 2 or 3 days before the game so that the kick to so that, so the referees and officials can monitor the footballs. Now, you can bring your own football onto the field the day of the game. It can be with you. The entire time. And because you can do that, you're starting to see these kickers have unbelievable.

00:59:56:04 - 00:59:58:07

That's that's the difference I didn't I didn't know yesterday.

00:59:58:07 - 01:00:21:17

Big Al

No that Vic, Vic Fangio actually talked about the fact that the kickers now can actually have their balls all the way until the day of the game, which is never been the case. So whatever way that ball that you like it, you are in control of that ball all the way until the game. That's never been the case in the NFL.

01:00:21:17 - 01:00:26:10

Big Al

This is the first year they've done it and the kicking numbers have gone through the roof.

01:00:26:13 - 01:00:34:15

That's interesting that I mean, I guess that would make a difference. Kind of made with Tom Brady. Used to do seem like child's play.

01:00:34:15 - 01:00:59:07

Big Al

Right. Well, I mean I mean, if you can imagine, you know, like, if you could, if you could control, like, the firmness of the football or you could get the ball to where you wanted it every single time, it's going to make you a better kicker. And this year has been the most prolific year of kickers in the history of the NFL.

01:00:59:10 - 01:01:02:19

Big Al

The most prolific, all because of that rule change.

01:01:02:19 - 01:01:13:03

That's true. Not it makes sense. Now you've given some guy. Appreciate that. Can you give me some context to why we're seeing these booming kicks from 50? I mean, a 50 yards is like a chip shot, right?

01:01:13:09 - 01:01:17:27

Big Al

And remember you get the ball. You know, you get a couple of first downs and you're in field goal position.

01:01:17:27 - 01:01:39:10

That's exactly right. Hey, man, I want to change up real quick. So we both get just for the record, we both got the Broncos win and the bowl game and the buffs that's exact. May be the first time this year that we're both on the same side. In both of these football games. I don't want to get into it as much now, but as you know, and we'll talk about this a little bit more next week.

01:01:39:12 - 01:02:04:01

Our dear friend, fellow buff C.U., Denver a native, Chauncey Billups, is, is tied up in and, what what is being described as a gambling scandal, a poker, gambling scandal? I have some real hard opinions on. And I'm just scared to say it. Well, I mean, they said, man, there's so much they can't say.

01:02:04:01 - 01:02:05:04

No, let me just say it.

01:02:05:04 - 01:02:09:08

Big Al

Just say initially what you feel. Here's what you have to backtrack. Go ahead later down the line.

01:02:09:09 - 01:02:41:12

Here's here's what I feel. The way this story has been framed is bullshit. Okay, horrible. I would think that the Mafia was run by Chauncey Billups. Given the way this story has unfolded. Yes, there has to be more context to what we're looking at here. When they tell me that Chauncey was what they call a face card. In other words, a draw to get more people to the poker table.

01:02:41:16 - 01:03:02:11

That's exactly what celebrities do. They get paid to do that in every aspect. This guy can demand a pretty penny to go sit somewhere. Whether it's the autograph session, it's, it's a game. It can be some party. He is the face card because he's going to draw people to it. That in and of itself is not a crime.

01:03:02:15 - 01:03:27:03

And so I don't know, I've not heard what the crime was with respect to Chauncey, but the way they've sullied his reputation and presented it, I'm thinking two things. One, I would think if I didn't know any better, he was the the mafia drug families. He's the face of it. And by the way, I got to say this too, because this this gnaws at me so freaking bad.

01:03:27:10 - 01:03:51:11

We're talking about gambling. We're talking about crime families. We're talking about things that our society generally looks at as being gutter. And every face I've seen has been black men, every face I've seen. They said 30 people were indicted, including members of the Mafia, drug families. I have not seen the face on television of any of them. I don't get it.

01:03:51:13 - 01:04:05:10

Give me more evidence. Stop this. Just besmirching these gentlemen's reputations before we have evidence to say that they're guilty. It's not right. And I'll have more to say about it in the coming weeks.

01:04:05:15 - 01:04:19:19

Big Al

I'll say this. Ever since the story broke, and it's been made national news. I've wondered, okay, if you are involved in a poker game, let's just say a high stakes poker game.

01:04:19:22 - 01:04:21:22

Because you play poker, you not. Yeah, you play.

01:04:21:22 - 01:04:26:28

Big Al

Poker, you play poker. It's not for a lot. You know, I have a group of guys that I play with.

01:04:27:05 - 01:04:28:08

Don't worry, man, I'm sorry. Yeah.

01:04:28:09 - 01:04:33:01

Big Al

You guys not. I mean, good, you know, I'm not talking about any types of big numbers, but.

01:04:33:01 - 01:04:34:17

You could have messed up. You don't have to.

01:04:34:17 - 01:04:59:19

Big Al

I'm just tell. I'm just telling you. It's, when you hear about, you know, like, I've always said, you know, like when you consider when you consider, what is normal? Let's just say what is normal. Let's just say a family. Let's say a family goes out to dinner and let's just say they go to, Applebee's. Okay.

01:04:59:21 - 01:05:22:04

Big Al

Family of four goes out to Applebee's. You know, they get the bill, it comes back $130. Okay. That was, you know, that's, for for people. Okay, let's just say that's $130. If we're talking about a professional athlete going out to dinner and taking his family and going out, that may be a dinner that may be 6 or $700 if it's at a steakhouse.

01:05:22:05 - 01:05:38:25

Big Al

Right. You see what I'm saying? So. So the scale and what you play on and play in is much different than the average person. So let's just say my poker game is a $40 buy in. No, not there's no rake or nothing. Okay. Well somebody.

01:05:38:25 - 01:05:39:19

In the house doesn't get.

01:05:39:19 - 01:05:40:22

Big Al

A house doesn't get anything.

01:05:40:22 - 01:05:41:20

Which is illegal, by the.

01:05:41:20 - 01:06:06:08

Big Al

Way. Which is illegal, right. I would never be involved in something like that. Right. But let's just say that this now, let's say the buy in is not $40. The say to buy in is $40,000. Well, you're talking about a guy who made hundreds of millions of dollars playing basketball and coaching. So a $40,000 buy in may feel like a, $40 buy in for me, right?

01:06:06:10 - 01:06:28:09

Big Al

You know what I'm saying? So. So the numbers. The numbers don't really. They don't like the numbers. If you say high stakes poker and you're talking about playing, I mean, I can tell you about some. I can tell you about some in between games that were played on airplanes. Right. As a pro player, coming back from games where, you know, guys lost their game chick, you know what I'm saying?

01:06:28:09 - 01:06:39:01

Big Al

Like, this happened all the damn time. You know, like on the back of the airplane with the veterans, you know, you're playing you're playing. You know that. Well, what would be considered high stakes game.

01:06:39:02 - 01:06:40:07

Right. But I don't but.

01:06:40:07 - 01:06:58:10

Big Al

This but this this is why I want to say this okay. So so if you're playing in a poker game and let's just say the the buy in is $50,000, okay. Let's just say the buying is 50,000 now, which does not hurt him. Right? It does not hurt him. How in the fuck does that go to, gambling on basketball?

01:06:58:12 - 01:07:00:00

Well, how does that go on? I'm like.

01:07:00:00 - 01:07:03:28

Big Al

Like how how does that go to gambling on basketball?

01:07:03:29 - 01:07:06:16

No, I hear you. And I think we're talking so much.

01:07:06:16 - 01:07:22:17

Big Al

If you if you're talking about Chauncey Billups was gambling and you, you call him gambling in, an illegal gambling game where the house is raking. That's one thing. Right? But you say that it's gambling and it's gambling on basketball. I, I don't put those two.

01:07:22:17 - 01:07:41:07

Together, and I didn't put that shit together. But the thing is, with the in the, in the case of challenging, that's the other thing that I think the media did, if you will, is they conflated these two things. So on one hand you got high stakes poker, on one hand you have, you have like point shaving or fixing games that.

01:07:41:08 - 01:07:43:29

But that wasn't the allegation. The allegation. Yeah.

01:07:44:02 - 01:07:44:22

Big Al

Yeah. You didn't.

01:07:44:22 - 01:07:47:21

Hear that. Yeah. But you heard that about the Rozier kid. Yeah.

01:07:47:21 - 01:07:49:05

Big Al

But you didn't hear that about Tennessee.

01:07:49:05 - 01:08:17:14

But my point is is the way the story was presented, it was all sort of conflated. And you learn you have to weed out that okay Chauncey wasn't implicated in fixing games. There was a whole different investigation around high stakes poker. It's about fixing poker games where he's drawing that. What they're suggesting is that he's drawing people land so that the mob families can defraud those people with technology that showed them the card that everyone had.

01:08:17:14 - 01:08:17:22

And I.

01:08:17:22 - 01:08:18:25

Big Al

Saw I heard about that's.

01:08:18:25 - 01:08:42:24

That's the that's the and what I'm saying is you you presented there is a, there is a prison where there's a presumption of innocence, there's a presentation of guilt. And that's what what gnaws at me. I'm like, you can just sully your reputation with this presentation of guilt when I'm saying, there's so many questions that the media or no one is answering.

01:08:42:27 - 01:08:57:19

Yes, Chauncey Billups, Alfred Williams, you name it, our face cards they paid to draw people to whatever venue or event they're part of. If there is a scheme happening at said event, does it mean that that the person.

01:08:57:24 - 01:08:58:16

Big Al

Who was there.

01:08:58:16 - 01:09:05:03

Is there is part of it, right. Connect those dots before you go and kill someone's reputation. That's my only point.

01:09:05:03 - 01:09:18:25

Big Al

I like that, I like I think you said it. Well, we're going to see how this story develops, but, this one kid. Well what's his name on the Rozier. Rozier makes $26 million a year. Why would he try to save anything.

01:09:18:25 - 01:09:21:28

We can't make sense of it. Can't make sense. If it's.

01:09:22:06 - 01:09:23:05

Big Al

26 million.

01:09:23:05 - 01:09:25:21

A year you can't make sense of an empty seat.

01:09:25:24 - 01:09:31:16

Big Al

You know how stupid that sounds now Devonte Porter no. That kid was.

01:09:31:16 - 01:09:32:22

Not make Michael Porter.

01:09:32:25 - 01:09:50:03

Big Al

Michael Porter, Junior's brother. We had a he has a lifetime ban from the NBA. Was not making great money playing in the NBA. He was on one of those ten day contracts when he pulled a stunt that he poured, right? And, poured himself out of a game. They say he wouldn't score something. He poured himself out the game.

01:09:50:10 - 01:09:54:24

Big Al

Okay, you get the lifetime ban, okay? He wasn't making a lot. Hey, you got a ten day contract.

01:09:54:24 - 01:09:56:27

The over and under him was zero anyway.

01:09:57:00 - 01:10:07:02

Big Al

Maybe it was. But if you if you if you if you keep it at an under and zero and whatever it is, maybe I think it was two points at three points and you put yourself out the game, there's no chance for you to score.

01:10:07:03 - 01:10:10:18

That's that's right. And that's what they're saying Terry. The Rozier kid did his.

01:10:10:19 - 01:10:13:21

Big Al

Why but why when you making 26 million a year.

01:10:13:26 - 01:10:18:27

Man I think that's and that's that's a great question. And that story.

01:10:18:29 - 01:10:23:27

Big Al

I don't believe that story for a minute I hear you listen I don't believe that now with with.

01:10:24:00 - 01:10:31:28

The Rozier piece they have they do because they've been investigating that for a few years. They do have some video evidence I don't know. We'll see what ultimately happens.

01:10:32:05 - 01:10:32:16

Big Al

But I don't.

01:10:32:16 - 01:10:32:24

Want to.

01:10:32:29 - 01:10:40:00

Big Al

That if somebody if somebody does that okay. You're not only dumb you're stupid and.

01:10:40:02 - 01:10:42:12

You might have an addiction. You know your problem may be.

01:10:42:14 - 01:10:48:27

Big Al

Maybe they maybe they own it. Maybe the people that are part of these, gambling ring owns his ass.

01:10:48:29 - 01:10:49:09

Well, I.

01:10:49:09 - 01:10:51:14

Big Al

Mean, if that's the case, okay, it might be true.

01:10:51:14 - 01:10:54:12

Well, what I hear, too, is that it's it's,

01:10:54:14 - 01:10:54:23

Big Al

How much?

01:10:54:24 - 01:11:15:15

It's it's it's a completely stupid way to get your homeboys, a couple hundred thousand dollars, right? It's it's a completely stupid. No way to get you to take care of your peeps. Now, again, we'll talk more about this as more information when we get back on the podcast next week. We'll have more and more information. We'll talk about it.

01:11:15:18 - 01:11:30:12

But before we get out of here and we got to get out. And by the way, next Saturday, see you. Buffs take on the Arizona Wildcats at the Boulder Marriott. It's the home of the Big Owl and KG show pregame. The biggest party a tailgate party.

01:11:30:14 - 01:11:37:16

Big Al

You said it right the first time.

01:11:37:18 - 01:11:38:03

Speaker 4

Yeah.

01:11:38:05 - 01:11:39:22

I can't with you, man, I just can't.

01:11:39:26 - 01:11:40:25

Big Al

They can tell party.

01:11:40:25 - 01:11:42:28

No, none of us. The biggest tailgate.

01:11:43:01 - 01:11:43:29

Big Al

Okay.

01:11:44:02 - 01:11:55:11

Listen, man, but before we go, just one. I thought the, Drake beef was over. Here we go. Here we go again.

01:11:55:14 - 01:11:55:24

Big Al

What?

01:11:55:24 - 01:12:01:03

What happened? I miss the Dodgers in the Blue Jays in the World Series man. Oh.

01:12:01:07 - 01:12:03:19

Big Al

Oh my god. Dodgers sweep in for.

01:12:03:19 - 01:12:10:14

So cut K that wins again. Hey thanks for tuning in to the Big Al and C.J. So we'll do it again next week.