The Broncos hit 10–2 for the first time since 1998, and Big Al breaks down what makes this team resilient — and why he still thinks they’re a year away from true Super Bowl contention. CJ pushes back, arguing this entire NFL season is wide open with eight legit contenders. The guys debate who the AFC actually fears, which NFC teams are real, and where the Broncos fit into the playoff picture. Then it gets heated over CU’s 3–9 finish. Big Al calls the season “dysfunctional,” while CJ says fans are reacting too emotionally without recognizing the bigger three-year rebuild arc. They go deep on coaching breakdowns, the transfer portal, fan expectations, and whether Deion’s program is moving forward or backward. Plus: Thanksgiving leftovers, peach cobbler wars, the Bo Nix–J.J. McCarthy draft story, and Sean Payton’s quarterback philosophy.
In this episode, Big Al and CJ react to the Broncos reaching 10–2 and what that record truly says about the team’s Super Bowl chances. Al explains the mentality needed to win in January and why this roster might still be a piece short, while CJ argues this is the most unpredictable NFL season in years, with no clear favorite. They compare the AFC squads nobody wants to face — including Buffalo, Baltimore, and Kansas City — and evaluate whether Denver, New England, or Chicago are actually better positioned for a postseason run. The conversation moves to the NFC where the Cowboys, Rams, Lions, and Eagles dominate the debate. From there, they revisit the Bo Nix vs. J.J. McCarthy draft storyline, Sean Payton’s evaluation style, and what makes a quarterback the right fit for his system. The show closes with a fiery back-and-forth over Colorado’s 3–9 finish, whether the season was disappointing or dysfunctional, the impact of coaching breakdowns, and what the next year looks like for Deion Sanders and the Buffs.
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CJ
Oh, look, ten and two for you, Denver Broncos. I tell you what. Are they the best team in the National Football League? The season ends on a bad note for your Colorado Buffaloes three and nine to end the 2025 campaign. What does the future hold for our bus? We'll be talking about that and more right here with Big Al and C.J..
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CJ
Big fella must be, must be getting close to winning time here, man.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, I guess so. I guess we both walk in the hoodies and, getting ready for, this winter. That's about to hit us. You know, the official day of, winter.
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CJ
Is it the 17th?
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Speaker 2
December 21st.
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CJ
21st? That's right. December 21st.
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Speaker 2
All of the official turns of the.
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CJ
Season.
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Speaker 2
Of the seasons are on the 21st.
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CJ
I was, I just made note of it. Not necessarily, because although it's a nice balmy day here in Colorado, I just noticed, if we can get this shot on our socks. You got the big white tube socks on today. That's how you act on it.
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Speaker 2
That's how I'm rocking it. In the end. This is. This is how I feel today. It's, nice, relaxed. Monday after Thanksgiving.
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CJ
I like it, man.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. Just, just still working through my my my holiday, grub and and still feeling like it's it's about to happen.
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CJ
Look, man, I had a Thanksgiving off to today, right? Grub, grub grub, man, I ate more than I should have. That's my my, when my workout today was just flat out phenomenal.
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Speaker 2
Okay.
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CJ
I mean, it was phenomenal, but I had I tell you, I had the full complement of Thanksgiving grub on Thanksgiving. Obviously woke up Friday and I had, you know, you start putting combinations together. So I had brisket, candy yams, sweet potatoes and greens on Friday. Right. That was Friday. Friday evening I had turkey, mashed potatoes and gravy.
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CJ
And then Saturday only had one, you know, leftover day meal from Thanksgiving on Saturday. And so Saturday I had well, Friday I had the smoked turkey. Saturday I had the, the fried turkey with, some mashed potatoes, gravy, cranberry. I mean, I just and then the mac and cheese. Right. I did that combo Sunday. I just replayed Thursday all over again.
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CJ
So I had the I had a little bit of a fried turkey. I had a little bit of the, the smoked turkey. Love little side of brisket, put a little, you know, brown gravy on my breast. Yeah. And I had little mashed potatoes there. Sunday was a big meal man. Then the mac and cheese was just flat out phenomenal.
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CJ
Just got better every day. Started off great. Ended up incredible. Had the mac and cheese and then the greens. And the is something about that trio. The mac and cheese greens and candy yams. Oh yeah. That trio right. This meal in of itself, man. And, yesterday, Monday, I just couldn't do it anymore, man. I went and got me a chicken pot pie.
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CJ
From where? From? From Safeway.
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Speaker 2
Oh, okay.
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CJ
On Monday, I had, I needed some different. But guess what I'm doing tonight, bro?
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Speaker 2
You going right back up.
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CJ
Back at.
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Speaker 2
It. Yeah. You know, I, I had, you know, I went out of town once and went to go watch, some, high school football in the great state of Texas, where I hail from.
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CJ
Just the state of.
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Speaker 2
Texas. The great state of Texas. I watched, a high school football game, and so I came back home. So I missed Friday, leftover Saturday leftover. And Sunday. When I got home, the first thing I did was go. When I made it to the house, jumped out of the Uber and, walked into the house, put my bags down and washed my hands, made myself a bowl of gumbo.
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Speaker 2
The first thing that I was thinking about, that gumbo, the entire time I was gone, man. I mean, there are the leftovers for Thanksgiving. Are, they're fantastic, man. I just, you know, the, you know, the fact that you have leftovers and you have the abundance that most of us get to enjoy. Not all of us, I get it.
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Speaker 2
Not all of us get to enjoy it, but the abundance that, happens on on that day is, is fantastic. And, and I hopefully, you know, a lot of people got to visit, and enjoy with, family and friends as if they were, looking to enjoy and, and visit. But it's a, it's a special time for me and my family, and it's, it was once again another special day.
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CJ
Thanksgiving, no doubt about it. Did you have sweet potato pie?
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Speaker 2
We had. Yes, we had sweet potato pie.
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CJ
Look at me, look at me. Tell me the truth. Did Patty do it or did you do?
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Speaker 2
Patti, don't you dare. I would.
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CJ
Have.
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Speaker 2
Had we had Patti LaBelle. We had Patti LaBelle. Sweet potato pie and Patti LaBelle. Peach cobbler.
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CJ
How was the cobbler?
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Speaker 2
It was. It was. I don't know, my father in law took the whole thing. Wow. Because we had an apple pie at home. So I just kept the apple pie, and he took the cobbler.
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CJ
Well, we had peach peach cobbler, by the way. I didn't get a taste of the peach cobbler till yesterday.
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Speaker 2
Well, when. Who did somebody make it an hour?
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CJ
Yes.
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Speaker 2
Okay, okay.
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CJ
I was it was amazing.
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Speaker 2
Really? Was it still flaky?
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CJ
It was still. You know, I like my cobbler to be a little doughy. I like, I like, I like my breading to.
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Speaker 2
Know you got it. I got that, got had it. No, man. You gotta. Oh, it's gotta be flaky, though.
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CJ
You you get your peach cobbler from a week. Is it got to be that that distribution of that juice, that sauce from the peaches in that and that, that crust that makes it a little doughy. Oh my.
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Speaker 2
Goodness. Yeah.
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CJ
Yeah. But I.
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Speaker 2
Get it. Yeah. I mean, it's it's a special time, man. I'm tell you what. We're going to we're going to what do you call it? Freeze dry. You know, when you take all the air out, and store for later. Yeah. You to do that, to work for what?
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CJ
How long? How long can you eat the leftovers? I figure I it feels like when I was a kid, we leftovers for three weeks.
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Speaker 2
And, I think it felt that way.
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CJ
Probably not.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, first of all, gotta get it refrigerated. And in Colorado, you know what I did? And this is something that if you don't live in Colorado, you probably want Noah. Or a city like Denver on the night of Thanksgiving, we didn't have to break down all the food to put into containers and put it into the refrigerator.
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Speaker 2
We simply took it outside on the patio and left it out there, where it froze and sold. So it's, the, the natural, cold air made for a good storage place overnight. Then we got to, or should I say the family got to store it and store it out of food the next day, right? Yeah, but vacuum sealed.
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Speaker 2
You vacuum sealed everything in and put it in, you know, date it, put it into the deep freezer and then revisit it later.
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CJ
Yeah, well, the revisit is definitely going.
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Speaker 2
Yeah.
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CJ
No doubt tonight might be the last. Might be the last of it, though.
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Speaker 2
I mean, you know, we're looking at, Tuesday night after the Thursday original dinner, considering most food was done Wednesday. Yeah, I would say so.
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CJ
Yeah, I think I think tonight. Hey, man. Yeah Denver Broncos ten and two. For the first time since you and your Denver Broncos team went ten and two and 98 and won a Super Bowl. Yeah I just want to get your overall thought because it's so it's kind of weird to sit here and talk about the ten and two Broncos because, you know, as we entered the season and as we've gone through 12 games of this season, it's still kind of surprising because we watched it all unfold.
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CJ
But it's still a little bit surprising to say, well, damn, this team is ten and two at this point. Like, well, I don't I don't know what you how you sort of think through or conclude. You see what who are this who are this team? Who is this state?
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Speaker 2
This team is a team that is a resilient team. A team that is, that finds ways to win, and is growing in the right direction. I don't believe this is the year for a championship. I do believe that, you know, mine is the greatest show on turf. Most teams have to get their heart broken before they go out and win a championship.
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Speaker 2
It just doesn't happen quickly, as it is for the Denver Broncos after being so bad for, those years before, Sean Payton, I think that this year is a growth year. I think that they should make it to, the second round of the playoffs at the bare minimum. And once they get there, then we're going to find out who they are.
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Speaker 2
And I think that's going to be classic because they'll have a home game. I believe in that second round. The third round, if they can make it, it looks like they're going to be traveling to New England. And that would be a showdown of epic proportions, because what we'll have is Drake Maye versus Bo Nix. And that could be a combination.
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Speaker 2
We could be watching for many years like Elway and Marino. So it's, it's it's it's Peyton and Brady. Yes. Yes. Except these guys in the same class. So I'm, I'm looking forward to seeing how this all works out, but I am encouraged that they have built, a Super Bowl type of mentality. I don't believe the roster is fully complete, with the requisite players to make all the plays.
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Speaker 2
But Evan Ingram last week showed up big and if you can get one more of those receivers to play like that, you got a shot. We need a receiver to play like that. Consistently for us to have a chance. You need you need three levels. You got to have him running back. You gotta have, a tight end or 2 or 2 wire receivers.
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Speaker 2
You got to be one tight end and one wide receivers or or one tight end, one wide receiver or two wide receivers and one running back. But you got to have a combination of three people to, to be able to hit you.
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CJ
You know, it's interesting man, because you know, you you're right in the traditional sort of year in terms of being, you know, having to have your heart broken before you really understand what it takes to get over the hump. Having those three levels, as you just mentioned, in order to be balanced enough and good enough over the course of, of, you know, 3 or 4 games, to win a Super Bowl.
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CJ
I think this year, I think we throw that out the window this year. And the reason why you think about who's the heartbreak team from a year ago that you would say this year is poised to win it all the bills and they don't look like a team that is. I mean, unless something change over the next 4 or 5 weeks, that looks like a team that's just limping its way.
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CJ
I'm just not sure if they're good enough. They had their heartbroken, but they regress this year. It's not like they're, you know, a team that's saying, okay, we know what it takes, but we're going to demonstrate what it takes to get over the hump this year. And it's true for all the blue bloods, the teams over the last five years that we said they run the National Football League, it's been kind of flipped on its head right now.
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CJ
And so I look at this and I'm saying this is a it's a it's an unusual National Football League season because I can't tell you who the odds on favorite to win the Super Bowl is. I can't give you two teams. They're probably eight teams right now who could legitimately win the Super Bowl this year. And I can't tell you, exactly why that team will win it.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, I, I don't know if there's eight teams.
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Speaker 2
But maybe the team in the NFC that is as scary as they get.
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CJ
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Speaker 2
Is the Dallas Cowboys. And I can't believe I'm saying this at six six and one because they have pulled together their offensive strategy. Defensive line has come in. Made an impact where there was supposed to be an impact with Micah Parsons. They're doing it from the interior of the defense and Dak is playing MVP type football. And on on the NFC side, there's something that's going on there with Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
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Speaker 2
That feels exciting. But you wouldn't gamble it. As far as, championship pedigree goes, you would say that would be the Rams. But they lost the game last week to the Carolina Panthers. That, was a shocker. And but but I still think it's going to be them. I think it's going to be the, the Rams that end up representing the NFC and on the AFC side, as you say it, there's something going on.
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Speaker 2
And how about the Chicago Bears by the way.
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CJ
That's exactly right.
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Speaker 2
I was gonna say.
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CJ
Three.
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Speaker 2
Chicago nine and three Chicago Bears doesn't feel like it's a fluke. When they run the ball as well as they do. It does not feel like a fluke.
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CJ
But.
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Speaker 2
They're kind of like the Broncos in Year two of the starting quarterback. I think they have to have their heart broken as well. Before they can have a full realization about, the amount of work it takes to win a Super Bowl.
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CJ
Well, when you tell.
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Speaker 2
Us, I'm like, it's so it's so hard. It is so hard to win a Super Bowl. I get yeah, I want to I wish it I could tell you exactly how hard it is because it's so fucking hard, man. Like there are so many things that have to go right to win the damn game that, you know, it's, you got to have a little luck.
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Speaker 2
You gotta have the team has to be fairly healthy. You have to have good coaches. You have to have players that understand that this is the moment. Like this is this is like this is the moment. Like you've waited your whole life for this moment. You've worked on it. You you've done everything and your whole focus has to be just on winning the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 2
And I don't know if you can say the Denver Broncos at ten and two started off the season saying let's win the Super Bowl. Maybe their objective was like ours when we won the AFC West. And our objective was to win the AFC West. See, winning the AFC West is a big deal when you have.
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CJ
Was that the year you guys got knocked out by Jackson?
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Speaker 2
Yes, yes. Our goal was to win the AFC West and I would imagine.
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CJ
Kind of stupid. I mean if that was.
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Speaker 2
What I would I mean listen man, and win in the AFC West means that you.
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CJ
Won AFC.
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Speaker 2
You get an automatic playoff bid and possibly a first round bye. So winning the AFC West and that's exactly what we did. We won AFC West. We got a first round bye. We lost in the second round.
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CJ
Well you should have told me this 15 years ago. 20 years ago that would have explained why Jacksonville be together.
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Speaker 2
Maybe it could have you know you know but you know that's for some totally different. But I ain't going to say what I was about to say to you, but I'll say this what you get. So I know I'm just saying, but you know, you don't have to bring that shit up. But anyway, I'm.
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CJ
Just saying.
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Speaker 2
Here, I didn't.
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CJ
Realize that was the.
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Speaker 2
Goal. But here's the deal accomplished.
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CJ
To.
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Speaker 2
Go the next year, which I don't know, has been talked about a lot. The number one goal for the Denver Broncos when we won Super Bowl 32 was to win a Super Bowl. Okay, you know what I'm saying. Like since yeah, the next year was a win the Super Bowl. You know what I'm saying. The next year was the winning.
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Speaker 2
So every year that Mike Shanahan after that year was to win the Super Bowl, not to win the division. And I think the Broncos right now are aiming to win the division now.
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CJ
Yeah, you're right about that. In part because.
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Speaker 2
Kansas City has dominated dominated the division for.
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CJ
Forever right, the last nine, ten years. But now again I keep I think you're right again traditionally. But I'm looking at this and saying how the teams, the top six teams in the National Football League right now, record wise, are all teams that would fit that description, as they need to have their heart broken first before they can get over the hump.
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CJ
I'm talking about the New England Patriots, the best record in the.
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Speaker 2
League, right?
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CJ
You talk about the Denver Broncos obviously at ten and two right. All the.
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Speaker 2
Quarterbacks that have quarterbacks are in year two or.
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CJ
Chicago Bears. Yeah and three right now.
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Speaker 2
Gotta have their heart right right right.
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CJ
You mean you just.
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Speaker 2
Again you saying, hey, man. Look, man, we're going to say, let's just say that a hypothetical.
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CJ
Seattle.
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Speaker 2
Situation. Well, that's not that's not because Sam Darnold is not in his second year. Sam Darnold is his first year with the with the Seattle Seahawks. But he's not a young guy.
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CJ
That's true. But that's a team that fits the script. Anything you have.
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Speaker 2
There it does not it does not. Do you want to take that?
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CJ
I can't believe she's calling me right now. Goodness gracious. He knows I'm doing this. So sorry. Okay.
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Speaker 2
Go ahead. Okay. So now you.
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CJ
Don't have to say.
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Speaker 2
Seattle Seahawks Seattle Seahawks. They do not fit the profile because their quarterback has senior leadership ability. And he's, been around the league a long time. The team that and I've been on.
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CJ
Bust in the league for a long.
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Speaker 2
While. I mean he had terrible coaching. But let's let's talk about this real quick okay. Okay. Let's talk about this real quick. Let's take any team that you want in the NFC. And I'm going to pit them against two teams okay I'm going to pick any two team I'm for any team. Pick any team that you want in the NFC versus Matthew Stafford and the Rams and Jared Goff of the Lions.
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CJ
Okay.
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Speaker 2
Who you take it. Those those those are only two teams. You're going to see one of those two teams in the playoffs. What team can beat them.
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CJ
In the NFC.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. And I know that you're going to say two cargo's already done it. But I'm just asking know I hear you when the game's on the line. When the game's on the line who do you put your money on.
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CJ
That's a good question man. Perhaps the only team that I would put my money on. If those two are the standard, if you will, would probably be either Dallas or Seattle.
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Speaker 2
Dallas. Seattle, maybe San Francisco.
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CJ
No. Something about Sia, I think since Seattle, San Francisco is a little bit off balance right now. Could be in part due to Purdy has been out for a long time. He he looked shaky and his return.
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Speaker 2
But you're not betting against those two quarterbacks and those two teams, right. In the playoffs.
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CJ
I'd be hard pressed to bet against the Lions. Got to take care of business in fact, this Thursday will tell us a lot because Dallas visits Detroit Thursday Night Football. And so the winner of that game, I think you would couple with the Rams to say, okay, these two teams are probably the standard. Okay. Here's the crazy thing, man.
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CJ
As we talk about this is the point about parity in the league and eight teams being able to win it. We haven't even mentioned the defending Super Bowl champions who happens to be today number one in their division the Philadelphia Eagles. They've looked like a very mediocre team over the last few weeks. But who's to say they don't get that thing turned around?
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CJ
We've seen.
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Speaker 2
It right. You know what I you know what? I could have, you know, I could have been wrong there there maybe three teams in the NFC that you say. I don't want to see them as if the game's on the line. But in the AFC who are we talking about. We're talking about three teams that you don't want to see if they get in okay.
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Speaker 2
Three teams you don't want to see the Buffalo Bills. Yep okay. You don't want to see the Baltimore Ravens. Yeah. You don't want to see the Kansas City Chiefs.
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CJ
Isn't that amazing.
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Speaker 2
Even even though they're down you don't want to have to face those teams in the first round or the second round because they have a wealth of experience. And all of those guys have been through the growing pains. Even Jalen Hurts has been through the, growing pains on the NFC side.
00;20;42;19 - 00;21;10;27
CJ
So that's actually a hell of a statement you just made there. Because if you think about it, you would rather play the ten and two Bronco. Right? The 11 and two Patriots. Yep. Over the six and six Kansas City Chiefs I think what the eight and four second place Buffalo Bills and the six and six Ravens. Right. You would rather play the teams that are.
00;21;11;00 - 00;21;13;03
Speaker 2
On the edge on the fringe getting in.
00;21;13;03 - 00;21;13;29
CJ
That's interesting.
00;21;14;01 - 00;21;39;15
Speaker 2
Right. Because of the quarterback play and the experience of the postseason. Like you know they understand what this is about. Like you know Jalen Hurts even said last year I don't know how many people out there I know that he didn't want to touch the Super Bowl trophy because he's got more to get. And so he really didn't grab and hold and, and and hold on to the Super Bowl trophy and praise it.
00;21;39;15 - 00;22;07;28
Speaker 2
And make it, as special as most people do because he said he has more to win, which is a hell of a statement to say after winning your first Super Bowl. So it just kind of tells you that, hey, he understands that this is, this is this is this is the task like that everything that you may say, everything that you may do, may end up, having some success during the regular season.
00;22;07;28 - 00;22;26;29
Speaker 2
But the only goal for teams that really understand the only goal is just to get in. Because if you get in and you have great leadership, great ownership, great coaches, and a quarterback who understands what's going on, man, you got a chance to win it.
00;22;27;02 - 00;22;29;15
CJ
Now, you're absolutely right about that, man. And I.
00;22;29;15 - 00;22;33;03
Speaker 2
Think quarterbacks just young here in Denver. So I don't I don't I wouldn't.
00;22;33;05 - 00;22;33;14
CJ
You know I.
00;22;33;15 - 00;22;35;20
Speaker 2
Wouldn't I wouldn't gamble it I wouldn't gambling.
00;22;35;23 - 00;22;58;23
CJ
Now I'ma tell you two other teams we did not mention the year this gets back I think we're approaching the eight. The eight that could possibly win it. But two other teams, that had not been mentioned yet. One. Yeah. Houston Texans I think that's a team that is becoming more and more scary since that very impressive victory over Buffalo, where they, I think sacked Josh Allen eight times.
00;22;58;23 - 00;23;04;12
CJ
No way. And then you get that young quarterback back. He had a he looked as good as he's ever looked in his last.
00;23;04;12 - 00;23;05;21
Speaker 2
Outing two basically that's.
00;23;05;21 - 00;23;06;17
CJ
A team not.
00;23;06;17 - 00;23;32;04
Speaker 2
Great coaching offensively. Well not not a great not a great not a well coached team defensively I mean offensively defensively they're solid. They are not home wreckers there even though they their numbers look great I'm telling you they could be had the Texans can be had you know that I don't the Texas the Indianapolis Colts scare me far more than Houston Texas no.
00;23;32;04 - 00;23;43;17
CJ
I think Indy I think Indy was a team that got out the gates. And reality is starting to catch up with them. I think that quarterback is becoming who we've always known him to be.
00;23;43;17 - 00;23;46;08
Speaker 2
Daniel Jones is playing like a Pro Bowl quarterback.
00;23;46;08 - 00;23;50;03
CJ
Well, he was he was he hadn't been playing like a Pro Bowl quarterback over the last.
00;23;50;11 - 00;23;57;29
Speaker 2
Two out of what the last three games. But you know you're not going to you're not going to you're not going to give him credit and praise for the streak that they.
00;23;58;02 - 00;23;59;07
CJ
Absolutely absolutely.
00;23;59;07 - 00;24;10;18
Speaker 2
Okay. All right. Well I'm just saying I mean Daniel Jones and the Colts are are legit. They would be, in my opinion, just a notch above the Broncos, just a notch.
00;24;10;18 - 00;24;11;23
CJ
Above the Broncos, a.
00;24;11;24 - 00;24;28;17
Speaker 2
Notch above a notch above the Broncos because of Daniel Jones and his, his recent success, is not an indication of this being a fluke. It's just a good matchup for the head coaching quarterback. Who is the play caller.
00;24;28;17 - 00;24;50;26
CJ
Well, I, I listen, I, I don't know that I would trust is it Shane Steichen who's the head coach over there. Bacon I don't know if I would trust that Daniel Jones and Steichen, more like, why would you trust Daniel Jones? I guess because of age he's had. I guess he's been in the league longer than bowl Bo Nix and he's been a bad quarterback.
00;24;50;29 - 00;25;14;03
Speaker 2
No no no no no no. You get it. You get a confused. You get a confused. He was a bad quarterback in a bad organization. That doesn't mean that he was a bad quarterback in general. It means that when you have coaches that are jacked up and don't know what the fuck they're doing, they end up killing guys careers.
00;25;14;05 - 00;25;32;28
Speaker 2
I mean, I mean, killing guys careers. And to the point where when you look up and you say, hey, this guy was a bust, and then he goes somewhere else, ends up having a fantasy. I give you another guy, Ryan Tannehill. Ryan Tannehill looked like he was a straight bust when he was down there in Miami. He goes to the Tennessee Titans.
00;25;32;28 - 00;25;53;16
Speaker 2
They are playoff bound team down there every year that he when he gets there you know is there a story after stories at the stories. We're looking at Sam Darnold right. And and and his introduction to the NFL and how how crappy it was even even Jared Goff was considered a bust after taking the team to the Super Bowl.
00;25;53;16 - 00;25;55;11
CJ
Yeah I don't know if that he was considered a bust.
00;25;55;11 - 00;26;14;14
Speaker 2
Oh my goodness man. They said that he couldn't play and it was all Sean McVay. When they made it to the Super Bowl to play the the play the the Patriots. That's right. You know so I mean it's just you just need a coach who understands the quarterback position and loves the guy that he's with.
00;26;14;14 - 00;26;35;13
CJ
Well here is he is here is the point. And again I hear what you're saying I don't necessarily disagree with you, but Ryan Tannehill was never a quarterback who I said his team is going to win the Super Bowl. He was a he was a lot better in Miami than he was or excuse me, in Tennessee than he was in Miami.
00;26;35;15 - 00;26;39;20
CJ
But that wasn't the quarterback who who had threatened. No one is sitting here saying, yep.
00;26;39;26 - 00;26;41;18
Speaker 2
How about Steve Young?
00;26;41;20 - 00;26;44;06
CJ
Steve Young was always he's he said he had to.
00;26;44;06 - 00;26;53;03
Speaker 2
Say it again. Okay, okay. I can't wait for you to say this beast. Oh, he was absolutely. Steve Young was a beast when he was playing for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
00;26;53;04 - 00;26;54;01
CJ
You saw.
00;26;54;02 - 00;26;54;20
Speaker 2
Hold on.
00;26;54;22 - 00;26;56;02
CJ
Bro.
00;26;56;05 - 00;26;59;17
Speaker 2
So Steve Young was a beast when he was playing for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
00;26;59;18 - 00;27;00;19
CJ
You want me to say it again?
00;27;00;23 - 00;27;02;26
Speaker 2
Yeah I want you to say that shit with them.
00;27;02;28 - 00;27;13;03
CJ
I'm just saying with Mattis. You damn right Steve Young was a beast when Steve Young was always a beast. He got to a better team and a better system, which made him a Hall of Fame.
00;27;13;03 - 00;27;13;27
Speaker 2
Goodness, man.
00;27;14;00 - 00;27;17;07
CJ
No one way man. No one was saying Steve Young's career as a bum.
00;27;17;07 - 00;27;18;13
Speaker 2
Oh, man. Come on.
00;27;18;13 - 00;27;19;27
CJ
Man. No one was saying that.
00;27;19;27 - 00;27;20;21
Speaker 2
Are you kidding.
00;27;20;21 - 00;27;21;14
CJ
Me? Look, man.
00;27;21;14 - 00;27;33;06
Speaker 2
Backup quarterback for like, three years in San Francisco and being, the number one pick in the in the USFL draft and number one pick in the NFL draft. Well, what are you talking about?
00;27;33;06 - 00;27;35;17
CJ
What I'm talking about is, Sam, you don't you don't.
00;27;35;22 - 00;27;39;02
Speaker 2
You need to you need to take it back. Because if you look at his.
00;27;39;02 - 00;27;39;29
CJ
Stats, like take.
00;27;40;04 - 00;27;45;02
Speaker 2
In Tampa, you would just go, that is not a Hall of Famer. The guy that's on his way. We're not.
00;27;45;02 - 00;27;45;29
CJ
Talking Hall of Fame.
00;27;46;06 - 00;27;50;03
Speaker 2
One that organizations can ruin good players.
00;27;50;03 - 00;27;50;29
CJ
There's no question about.
00;27;51;00 - 00;28;04;09
Speaker 2
You know, I mean, I, I just wonder I wonder about all the good players that I play with, in, in Cincinnati that I was so, so, so glad play with.
00;28;04;10 - 00;28;05;12
CJ
I'm glad you got the hell out of.
00;28;05;17 - 00;28;17;00
Speaker 2
Yeah, exactly. Because I wasn't a bad player playing, on a bad team. I was a good player playing on a bad team. But what they were asking me to do didn't really fit my skill set.
00;28;17;03 - 00;28;18;02
CJ
Look at. Listen, I.
00;28;18;10 - 00;28;35;20
Speaker 2
Understand, I see, I see that shit all the time. And it's it's like my number one pet peeve is when when, when when people give up on players who have shitty coaches in that business. And there's a bunch of shitty coaches that don't understand football.
00;28;35;20 - 00;28;57;20
CJ
I don't disagree with you, but here is the point. The point isn't whether or not Sam Donald was a bust or a good quarterback. The difference? The ceiling, in my opinion, for a guy like Sam Donald, is that he could be a good quarterback in this league, which in a good system and a good on a good in a good franchise, he's proven to be.
00;28;57;23 - 00;29;20;18
CJ
But I think Sam Darnold peaks out with what we saw last year in Minnesota, where he was a good quarterback until they got to the playoffs and he got Molly wiped and he looked terrible. That's kind of his peak. That's his max out right. It's not that he was a terrible player. But you're not going to say hey man I'm putting my money on Sam Darnold.
00;29;20;19 - 00;29;26;22
CJ
That's a guy. When the going gets tough and all the chips are on the on the table he's going to come through. It didn't.
00;29;26;22 - 00;29;32;22
Speaker 2
Give him enough time I mean that's after one year of changing his I will say in Minnesota.
00;29;32;22 - 00;29;34;10
CJ
Made a personnel mistake big.
00;29;34;10 - 00;29;45;05
Speaker 2
Time. They I mean when J.J. McCarthy and and what he has become out there is, you know, hey, let's this is something that has not been really talked about much this year.
00;29;45;07 - 00;29;46;11
CJ
You get too sentimental.
00;29;46;14 - 00;29;50;07
Speaker 2
No, no, because this is this is this was a this was a sore subject.
00;29;50;07 - 00;29;51;09
CJ
See what I'm saying? This is a.
00;29;51;09 - 00;30;19;13
Speaker 2
Sore subject just to two seasons ago when, when when the Denver Broncos head coach, Sean Payton said that he duped the Minnesota Vikings into taking J.J. McCarthy because he wanted Bo Nix the entire time, I mean, this was this was Sean Payton gloating that he got the Minnesota Vikings to take J.J. McCarthy because he really wanted Bo Nix.
00;30;19;13 - 00;30;21;04
CJ
So why is that a sore subject?
00;30;21;06 - 00;30;57;09
Speaker 2
Because it just it was like, it was it was a middle finger really to, to, Minnesota. And he tricked him because he got them and their scouts to believe that he was heavy in on J.J. McCarthy, and he gloated about it, and it was just not pretty. I mean, the people in Minnesota, you know, and and, you know, I was I was going back and I was going back and trying to figure out why is Sean Payton poking the Minnesota Vikings?
00;30;57;15 - 00;31;05;08
CJ
Why is why is he poking them? Because he had his he wanted his guy and he was. No, I was watching Minnesota get paid to Scottsdale.
00;31;05;08 - 00;31;32;20
Speaker 2
You wait on the sand but also you forget like one of the biggest plays that may have held Sean Payton out of another Super Bowl. He's had like two. He's had two miraculous plays against him as a head coach of the Saints. One of them was the end of the game with Diggs. Catches the, the pass on the sideline with no time left to get a touchdown.
00;31;32;20 - 00;31;54;10
Speaker 2
When the when, when, the Saints control the game the entire game. Yeah. And the entire game. And at the last moment they had a breakdown and I think that he holds a grudge against the Minnesota Vikings for that moment. And I think he has a deep memory. And I think he where they want to stick it to him on draft day.
00;31;54;10 - 00;32;14;29
Speaker 2
And and so this was how he got to do it by saying we you know, we want J.J. McCarthy, McCartney, McCarthy, McCarthy, J.J. McCarthy and we are we're paranoid. I guess he sent his minions out there to pound the table, like, work J.J. out 2 or 3 times, had him in for a visit. Never wanted to kid the kid.
00;32;14;29 - 00;32;17;11
Speaker 2
Did you said that you wouldn't have never draft.
00;32;17;13 - 00;32;19;03
CJ
If if Minnesota, you put.
00;32;19;03 - 00;32;21;06
Speaker 2
That on draft day, that you would have never drafted.
00;32;21;06 - 00;32;38;28
CJ
Him. Not a chance. If Minnesota, with all their scouting departments and advanced scouting and all the salaries that they play, coaches, they could have just called me, I wouldn't have even charged them say, hey, man, that's a mistake. Don't do that. And so if they were dumb enough to take the bait.
00;32;38;29 - 00;32;40;27
Speaker 2
Exactly that from Sean Payton.
00;32;40;27 - 00;32;42;02
CJ
And that's on them. That and the.
00;32;42;02 - 00;32;44;25
Speaker 2
Broncos landed out there. You know, just, just.
00;32;44;25 - 00;32;46;16
CJ
How dumb can you be.
00;32;46;18 - 00;33;06;28
Speaker 2
Man? You just it just didn't look good for him. The gloat. He was right. Now he was right that Bo Nix is a better processor and a better NFL, better NFL prospect at quarterback. But, boy, when he did it two years ago, it did not feel good. It did not feel was like, yeah, we got him.
00;33;06;28 - 00;33;35;03
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. And he kept on saying like, we are great evaluators of the quarterback position. He said as a franchise, the Broncos and his personnel staff were great evaluators, great evaluators of the quarterback position. And you know what? I think he was right. I think he was in the end, I think Sean Payton was right because we got Bo Nix and he did dupe the Minnesota Vikings in the drafting.
00;33;35;03 - 00;33;35;23
Speaker 2
J.J. McCarthy.
00;33;35;23 - 00;33;38;20
CJ
Well say Marty McCarthy.
00;33;38;20 - 00;33;39;11
Speaker 2
McCarthy.
00;33;39;18 - 00;33;40;23
CJ
Why is that? What's wrong?
00;33;40;23 - 00;33;43;10
Speaker 2
I don't know, because I want to say coach McCartney. I know.
00;33;43;10 - 00;33;44;09
CJ
I know, you get it.
00;33;44;11 - 00;33;45;07
Speaker 2
McCarthy. Yes.
00;33;45;07 - 00;34;14;29
CJ
McCarthy. Yeah. All right. I think I think, Sean, I think Bo Nix is a Sean Payton type of quarterback. And what I mean by that is, unlike all of the quarterbacks before that was taken earlier, perhaps with the, exception of Drake Maye. Bo Nix is, first of all, he played a lot of football. He's come from a football field.
00;34;15;02 - 00;34;15;12
CJ
He was like.
00;34;15;12 - 00;34;16;27
Speaker 2
24 when he got drafted. Right.
00;34;16;27 - 00;34;19;10
CJ
Pedigree was there. But he's the kind.
00;34;19;10 - 00;34;21;10
Speaker 2
Of his dad is a dad is a.
00;34;21;10 - 00;34;22;12
CJ
Coach. That's exactly what.
00;34;22;12 - 00;34;28;24
Speaker 2
Goes a long way into the development of the position. When you understand and know the game from that was, well.
00;34;28;26 - 00;34;53;13
CJ
What it means is that to me, his evaluation of a quarterback and what he likes, because you have these sort of these offensive minds who they they see the game playing out and X's and O's. And so you got a guy who appear to play the game that way. We the way we draw it up in the classroom is the way we executed on the field.
00;34;53;15 - 00;35;23;11
CJ
And it's it's my super ability to coordinate an offense and to develop a quarterback that would make this team great. Where there are other types of quarterbacks that don't fit necessarily the Sean Payton style, I don't know that Sean Payton would be a great coach for a, for Daniels, for example, or for Caleb Williams, guys who are who've proven over the course of their college careers to be more creative, more balanced in their run pass ability.
00;35;23;14 - 00;35;45;29
CJ
If I don't see it 1 or 2, I don't have to be the quote unquote supercomputer that can get to three and four, and I can break this thing all the way down. I can just go get it. I think those types of things irritate sort of the, the, the heavy mind coach who wants things to look exactly the way they, you know, they're very meticulous about how they all fit through.
00;35;45;29 - 00;35;47;09
Speaker 2
It, the right way. Just run the.
00;35;47;09 - 00;36;15;15
CJ
Play it was in. It's part of the I think the problem that although Russell Wilson was at the very tail end of his career, I don't think at any point in Russell Wilson's career, would he have been a good fit for a Sean Payton style offense? So I think Sean did look at the quarterbacks available in the draft and say, that's the guy who fits my style of coach in who I could, I can impose, not even impose, but I could max out his skill set because he he cerebrally.
00;36;15;15 - 00;36;32;06
CJ
This is in Sean Penn's man. I'm not necessarily agreeing with this, but he cerebrally understands and sees the game the way I see it. And so, yeah, it wouldn't have been J.J. McCarthy. He shouldn't have been a first round draft pick, I'll be honest with you. But I think that's that's just the Sean Payton way of looking at quarterbacks.
00;36;32;06 - 00;36;57;20
CJ
He got his guy, the irony is, and he probably, of all the quarterbacks, reminded him most of his Hall of Fame quarterback that he had in New Orleans. And so let's run that back. Let's try to run that back. The irony is there has been this this tension between Bo and Sean, and we'll see how that thing plays out over the course of of Bo Nix his career here.
00;36;57;22 - 00;37;08;15
CJ
But I think some identified this guy, got his guy, and it certainly was never J.J. McCarthy. And if the Minnesota Vikings couldn't figure that out, then shame on them.
00;37;08;15 - 00;37;09;09
Speaker 2
Yeah. Shannon.
00;37;09;14 - 00;37;27;04
CJ
You know, I think that's ridiculous. Hey, man, we got to get to our buffs, bro. But before we do, a time was had about a week ago, man. We, had a chance to go out to, the Denver airport. There is this place called Golf Den. It's a golf simulation company. And they got a big fella right there.
00;37;27;04 - 00;37;34;10
CJ
But you got to work smooth. I don't know how smooth that is, bro. I'm to show you smooth, big.
00;37;34;12 - 00;37;39;15
Speaker 2
Vijay, it's big Vijay Singh. Oh, my. Go! Smooth. Yeah. What a half swing.
00;37;39;19 - 00;38;01;04
CJ
Set it down. Amen. But, golf in a great, great place. It's located on the mezzanine level on the A concourse, if you have time. In fact, get to the airport early because it's a great place to just go out. Yeah. Have a call when swinging some swing your club and, just have a good time, right. In fact, I'll put it on you.
00;38;01;04 - 00;38;02;19
CJ
We had a little competition going up there.
00;38;02;19 - 00;38;03;21
Speaker 2
You lot did.
00;38;03;24 - 00;38;13;02
CJ
Not put it on you. I put it on you, and then you sauntered off to get to catch your flight. Just like you said. You had a flight that day, and I put it on you. You win. Did you fly?
00;38;13;02 - 00;38;19;01
Speaker 2
Did not get on the way, man. I mean, revisionist history is some mouse boy. I tell you what, this was not that long ago.
00;38;19;04 - 00;38;20;28
CJ
Yeah, I remember like it was yesterday.
00;38;21;00 - 00;38;48;07
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. You lost, but don't worry about it. But the great place golf then is, It was a nice surprise for me because it's up there on that mezzanine level. And, you know, if you walk on walk basically on security, you can go 1 or 2 ways. One way takes you down, to the concourse A and then drops you down by the train.
00;38;48;07 - 00;39;03;23
Speaker 2
And then the other one, just starts you on the train. But, I mean, if you're on a concourse. So you got time, go to the concourse. And I'm telling you, man, this is a this this was a nice, pleasant surprise for me and my son. We got a chance to hit balls with both golf enthusiast and, that was good.
00;39;03;23 - 00;39;04;16
CJ
That was a great time.
00;39;04;17 - 00;39;05;08
Speaker 2
That was really good.
00;39;05;09 - 00;39;24;01
CJ
I put it on both Williams as his matter. I don't think I've been on Eric too. Less. But look, they have some specials going you can get if you go to golf-den.com, you can get to your holiday special on gift cards again. That's golf-den.com. And, I'm telling you is something that you don't want to miss out.
00;39;24;03 - 00;39;52;17
CJ
A great holiday gift for anyone who's traveling out there. Get to the airport early. Go visited a concourse mezzanine. You will not be disappointed. Hey man, I Colorado Buffaloes embarrassing. Embarrassed down, I slow down. They finished the season three and, embarrassing. Before you lose your your stuff. It was, by any measure a disappointing season, but I mean, I got to tell you, man, I'm.
00;39;52;17 - 00;40;05;12
CJ
I'm a little bit disappointed in you and some of man. See you, brother and man, because you guys, you know, you running around here is on fire. All things, you know, the falling apart.
00;40;05;12 - 00;40;12;01
Speaker 2
And you, you're getting better. You're getting worse. There's there's no, there's there's no in between. You're getting better or you're getting worse. We got worse.
00;40;12;01 - 00;40;13;02
CJ
We got worse this year.
00;40;13;02 - 00;40;14;20
Speaker 2
We got worse.
00;40;14;22 - 00;40;21;21
CJ
Any any, any. Was there any logic to it? I mean, was it was it predictable in any kind of way or what we saw?
00;40;21;21 - 00;40;44;13
Speaker 2
I just didn't I didn't I didn't think that we were going to have the meltdown from the coaching department that that we did, did we have players that were out of position? Yes. For a lot of the season, they we have some, some opportunities to win games that we should have won one score games that ended up being, embarrassing losses.
00;40;44;13 - 00;40;57;05
Speaker 2
Yes, we did. And now the in the aftermath, we may lose a ton of kids in this portal, and every university goes through this. I'm not saying to cuz unique to it.
00;40;57;08 - 00;40;59;02
CJ
But but why do you say that?
00;40;59;03 - 00;41;24;15
Speaker 2
I just, I just got, I got an inkling that we're going to get a lot of movement from guys that we have depending on around here that has eligibility that, that, that have eligibility. And guys that were big time players for us that, may end up moving on. And that's just a normal part of college ball. But for some reason this year felt dysfunctional.
00;41;24;17 - 00;41;25;27
CJ
Here's what, here's what I would.
00;41;25;28 - 00;41;28;03
Speaker 2
You disagree.
00;41;28;05 - 00;41;29;26
CJ
Here's what I'd advise you to do.
00;41;29;27 - 00;41;32;25
Speaker 2
Let me ask you this. Do you feel like this year was dysfunctional?
00;41;32;28 - 00;41;34;07
CJ
I think it was disappointing.
00;41;34;14 - 00;41;36;18
Speaker 2
Disappointing or dysfunctional?
00;41;36;20 - 00;41;38;00
CJ
I think it was disappointing.
00;41;38;00 - 00;41;39;16
Speaker 2
Okay, so not dysfunctional.
00;41;39;18 - 00;42;01;15
CJ
Okay. Now let me give you my my broad view. And I think I think it's helpful to kind of focus out a little bit because I think I think what fans do and I yeah, I'm a fan. Your fan is we react to what we see right in front of us right now. There's nothing wrong with that. But I, I look at this over the course of let's take three years.
00;42;01;18 - 00;42;03;03
CJ
00;42;03;05 - 00;42;08;12
Speaker 2
You mean the same as the same three years that the head coach of Indiana had was the.
00;42;08;12 - 00;42;09;22
CJ
I don't even think he was there for three years. You know.
00;42;09;22 - 00;42;10;22
Speaker 2
This is his third year.
00;42;10;23 - 00;42;13;27
CJ
Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That, that that was that was.
00;42;14;00 - 00;42;22;22
Speaker 2
That was I mean, that's the same mistake, the same as, as the head coach over at Texas A&M.
00;42;22;24 - 00;42;23;23
CJ
Has he been there three years?
00;42;24;00 - 00;42;26;00
Speaker 2
Three years. Right. So same three years. So.
00;42;26;00 - 00;42;35;29
CJ
Okay, listen, I mean, we could play this game out into perpetuity, right? I mean, there's probably a lot of coaches who who ended a third year. But here's let's focus on see you okay.
00;42;35;29 - 00;42;37;08
Speaker 2
Let's do it.
00;42;37;10 - 00;42;52;04
CJ
So that then the program was was 1 in 11. It was dead to rights in 2020 and 2022. Correct. I need you to be verbal. I need you to be audible. It was dead to rights in 2021.
00;42;52;04 - 00;43;06;02
Speaker 2
Not good in 2022. Things have changed. I mean, Cordarrelle first of all, was not given the same tools that Deon Sanders was given, restrictions on admissions.
00;43;06;04 - 00;43;06;28
CJ
Come on.
00;43;07;01 - 00;43;07;18
Speaker 2
Dude.
00;43;07;20 - 00;43;08;07
CJ
Stop.
00;43;08;09 - 00;43;21;25
Speaker 2
Just stop. C.J., maybe the biggest change at the University of Colorado since Deon, Sanders has been there is that we have made our admissions process equal to those that are in the big 12.
00;43;21;25 - 00;43;25;03
CJ
Actually, I think that happened prior to.
00;43;25;05 - 00;43;49;25
Speaker 2
No, I did not know. I did not know. It happened in his first year. That was part of the contingency for him coming, is that guys can get into the University of Colorado. So that was the first year that we had, traditional NCAA rules and not the University of Colorado, economics. So as I say, academic standards.
00;43;49;27 - 00;43;52;11
CJ
Do, one thing we can agree on is that.
00;43;52;14 - 00;43;54;02
Speaker 2
It changes everything.
00;43;54;04 - 00;43;56;15
CJ
In 22. The program was there to. Right. Yeah.
00;43;56;15 - 00;43;58;22
Speaker 2
Yeah, but but but okay.
00;43;58;24 - 00;44;07;21
CJ
We can agree on that. Okay. Good. 2023, first year of the program. What happened? We went for nine, right?
00;44;07;24 - 00;44;25;25
Speaker 2
I mean, we were the talk of the talk of the country. We were a top 20, five team after three games. Do you believe was out there? It was, it was the most exciting man. If you're a Colorado fan, it was. It was beautiful. And then we we saw it all fall apart.
00;44;25;25 - 00;44;42;01
CJ
Well, you say it fell apart. That's interesting. The bottom line is we went from one inch 11 and a team that no one you would. I couldn't get you to go to a game to save your life. Super fan, Big Al. You are not. But you want.
00;44;42;01 - 00;44;44;23
Speaker 2
A new day. That's not that has that has nothing. That's about my.
00;44;44;23 - 00;44;45;20
CJ
Fandom.
00;44;45;22 - 00;44;53;20
Speaker 2
Me being in the stadium and watching the game that don't do don't. Those are two totally separate items here.
00;44;53;24 - 00;44;54;23
CJ
Can I finish?
00;44;54;26 - 00;45;01;27
Speaker 2
But go ahead. That that doesn't mean I love them any less because I'm not in the stadium. I don't go in the stadium for various different reasons.
00;45;01;27 - 00;45;11;01
CJ
Here's what I would tell you. In 2022, you were in good company because no one was going to the stadium, including yours truly. I may have gone to two games that year.
00;45;11;01 - 00;45;11;26
Speaker 2
In 22.
00;45;11;26 - 00;45;12;18
CJ
And 22.
00;45;12;18 - 00;45;13;19
Speaker 2
When the rail was there.
00;45;13;19 - 00;45;16;01
CJ
Yes. Okay. Not only that.
00;45;16;02 - 00;45;20;04
Speaker 2
Went, I may have went a couple weekends. I mean, I'm good for two games every year. Okay.
00;45;20;07 - 00;45;30;01
CJ
But my point is the two that you were there, you could have sat anywhere in the stadium you wanted to. No one cared about. See you. Football.
00;45;30;02 - 00;45;32;17
Speaker 2
Right? The profile was low, low profile.
00;45;32;18 - 00;45;48;08
CJ
The profile was low and the output was low. Yeah. Okay. So 2023 rolls around, you go for nine, you become one of the more relevant programs almost instantly in the country. You don't disagree with that.
00;45;48;08 - 00;45;56;16
Speaker 2
Do you know I think that the energy that Deion Sanders brought to the University of Colorado was this absolutely electric.
00;45;56;16 - 00;46;21;10
CJ
Okay, 2023 then 2024 rolls around. Two years ago you were one an 11 year prior to his first year. You're four and nine. You flip that now you're nine and four. You have Heisman Trophy winner. You have I think should have been I thought was the best quarterback in the country. Certainly one of the top three. You know we know what happened there.
00;46;21;13 - 00;46;22;15
Speaker 2
We don't know what happened.
00;46;22;21 - 00;46;24;05
CJ
We know what happened there. We don't.
00;46;24;05 - 00;46;24;14
Speaker 2
Know what.
00;46;24;14 - 00;46;31;06
CJ
Happened. At any rate, you have that circumstance. Then the 2025 season rolls around.
00;46;31;07 - 00;46;37;07
Speaker 2
Right. And and and the head coach said that this is the best talent that he's assembled at the University of Colorado.
00;46;37;08 - 00;46;39;26
CJ
Hey, man, I think that may have been a mistake in statement. Sure.
00;46;40;01 - 00;46;48;25
Speaker 2
Why why why was it that. Well, I, I, like him, believe that it was the greatest combination of talent that we had at the university. Okay.
00;46;48;25 - 00;47;18;07
CJ
All right. Okay. Then on. Oh, then you will tell me that losing five offensive player starters, 5 or 6 to the NFL, returning one starter on your offense. Same on the defense. I think you return one starter, 1 or 2 starters on your defense, in part because of all that talent you lost meant that you were going to have a ten and three see a ten and two season or the expectation.
00;47;18;14 - 00;47;39;04
CJ
Here's what I will tell you. The season was disappointing for this reason. As it played out, you had six games against, most of which were against top 25 teams in which you were either ahead or within 3 or 4 points in the fourth quarter, and you lost all six of those games. That was the most that's the part to me that was disappointing.
00;47;39;04 - 00;48;00;14
CJ
There were opportunities, had this team won six games this year, I don't I wouldn't be saying that this was a disappointing season. It was disappointing because you didn't get over the hump. And I would say, I think to your point is that coaching wasn't great by no stretch. And there were times when we lost those games because we were out coached.
00;48;00;16 - 00;48;13;18
CJ
Very disappointing. But if the expectation see, I think in a in a way Deon is a victim of his own success, if you will, or the setting of an expectation like that.
00;48;13;18 - 00;48;16;25
Speaker 2
Any kind of like secondary over at in the Anaheim?
00;48;16;25 - 00;48;19;22
CJ
Well, no. So here's the thing I would say about Indiana, like.
00;48;19;22 - 00;48;21;00
Speaker 2
Elko at Texas.
00;48;21;01 - 00;48;53;09
CJ
And here's what I'd say about that. I don't know much about the A&M team. Cincinnati. Oh, I'm sorry. Indiana this year is more comparable to what C was last year where all of its transfer top players were seniors. Now, the challenge for Cincinnati or for, Indiana next year will be what Deon faced this year. And so in this world in which there is portal, there's transfer portal, you know, rosters are being flipped.
00;48;53;10 - 00;48;58;28
CJ
It it does become more of a year to year proposition than I've seen at any time in the past.
00;48;58;28 - 00;49;15;18
Speaker 2
I agree, but so at no point, at no point did you go, you know, great, great, great statement of of mediocrity. But there's no point in, in this conversation where you will say that this was a coaching, coaching savant.
00;49;15;23 - 00;49;21;14
CJ
No, by no stretch. Listen, I think, I think it's fair to point out that coaching failed is I thought the court. Yes.
00;49;21;14 - 00;49;22;07
Speaker 2
Yes, man.
00;49;22;09 - 00;49;22;28
CJ
Okay, let's.
00;49;22;28 - 00;49;35;01
Speaker 2
Say that, man. Let's say that then let's let's let's. But you just be honest about that first. And then we could talk about the players that are thinking about transfer in there and their names in into it.
00;49;35;01 - 00;49;37;28
CJ
I don't I don't know anything about who might know what's.
00;49;37;28 - 00;49;41;02
Speaker 2
Going to happen. We got the portal opens on January 2nd.
00;49;41;04 - 00;49;43;11
CJ
That's right, that's right. We'll see what happens.
00;49;43;13 - 00;49;47;10
Speaker 2
But I'm just saying that it's, from what I'm hearing, they're going to be okay.
00;49;47;10 - 00;49;48;06
CJ
There you go.
00;49;48;08 - 00;49;50;02
Speaker 2
Oh, Look, there you go.
00;49;50;03 - 00;49;52;18
CJ
What sources say.
00;49;52;20 - 00;49;59;28
Speaker 2
Oh, I'm hearing I'm hearing the name on the top. Top three players. And Ku will be in the portal.
00;50;00;00 - 00;50;02;23
CJ
Oh, my goodness, that's what you.
00;50;02;23 - 00;50;11;18
Speaker 2
Hearing. That's what I'm hearing. Not the quarterback, but you do the math on you. Do you do to you. We'll see how it works out.
00;50;11;19 - 00;50;23;16
CJ
Well you can I tell you what I'm hearing. There's my what I'm hearing. I'm hearing that the top three players for see You in this past season are returning and will be see you buffs next year.
00;50;23;17 - 00;50;24;24
Speaker 2
That's not what I'm hearing. Okay.
00;50;24;24 - 00;50;25;17
CJ
Then we're hearing we have.
00;50;25;21 - 00;51;00;11
Speaker 2
I'm hearing I'm hearing that the money is growing, exponentially and that the opportunity that some of these schools, are going to be a greater opportunity with higher pay. So if it comes, you know, I'm it's not what I want, but this is the business of college football. This is the real business of college football, where you have, guys making 300,000 to 400,000, getting offers that are over a million.
00;51;00;11 - 00;51;04;01
Speaker 2
And this is happening right now. This is happening for some of our players right now. Oh, I'm.
00;51;04;01 - 00;51;04;17
CJ
Sure it is here at.
00;51;04;17 - 00;51;13;28
Speaker 2
The University of Colorado. So if Colorado can't match or give the same opportunity and exposure, and the kids don't have trust, then they're gone.
00;51;13;28 - 00;51;15;25
CJ
So in other words, this is about money.
00;51;15;29 - 00;51;22;10
Speaker 2
This is I think it's about money. And it's also about fit with wills. Because I think what you need.
00;51;22;12 - 00;51;23;20
CJ
00;51;23;23 - 00;51;41;03
Speaker 2
For juju is that you need a young receiving corps that can grow with him. It's great that you have, a, a good veteran crew of of wide receivers that you can, you can lean on, but it also feels like you almost need like, guys that are like, this has to go for a three year run.
00;51;41;08 - 00;51;43;04
CJ
I see, and I think I just want to point.
00;51;43;04 - 00;51;43;14
Speaker 2
Out, I don't.
00;51;43;14 - 00;51;54;23
CJ
Know. Yeah, I don't think I don't think that's a reality in today's game. You can't guarantee it. Listen, trying to determine trying to preview what's going to happen in the portal is like playing a lottery, right?
00;51;54;23 - 00;51;58;11
Speaker 2
I'm I'm not sure about these three guys. I'm almost sure about these three guys that are.
00;51;58;16 - 00;52;05;05
CJ
Above all the three guys that's leaving that you don't have to give up your source. Tell me the three that sleep.
00;52;05;07 - 00;52;06;03
Speaker 2
No.
00;52;06;05 - 00;52;10;11
CJ
Okay. Yeah, that's that's about what I thought. Anyway. I think.
00;52;10;16 - 00;52;12;06
Speaker 2
Big money deals though, when you see.
00;52;12;06 - 00;52;13;20
CJ
Them, they're all big money deals.
00;52;13;21 - 00;52;14;04
Speaker 2
Big money.
00;52;14;04 - 00;52;39;15
CJ
Deals. But here's the deal, man. I think this this sky is falling mindset that has taken over. Let me let me do this. I'm a bad get off. I'm a bad get off and put it this way FFO okay, that's what I tell you and other fans who the sky is falling for. AFO and I don't want to be in a position.
00;52;39;18 - 00;52;41;07
CJ
I don't want to be in a position. What does.
00;52;41;07 - 00;52;51;15
Speaker 2
That mean? You you suggesting that I am calling for the end of Deon Sanders as the head coach of the University of Colorado? What are you suggesting? And I'm saying.
00;52;51;17 - 00;52;52;02
CJ
I'm.
00;52;52;06 - 00;52;55;02
Speaker 2
Just telling you, it was a terrible coaching year.
00;52;55;09 - 00;52;58;16
CJ
It was a terrible change. Oh, listen, there's no question about.
00;52;58;16 - 00;53;01;23
Speaker 2
And the head coach has echoed my sentiments.
00;53;01;23 - 00;53;02;09
CJ
There is no.
00;53;02;09 - 00;53;33;09
Speaker 2
Question when I tell you it's a bad and I'm telling you during the season, it's a bad job this the these kids are have not been given the tools necessary to win. And I'm telling you, this, I told you this after the Georgia Tech game, and I've told you and I'll tell you after the, after the, Kansas State game from that time period through we have had we have had a disconnect with what good football is and good coaching is.
00;53;33;09 - 00;53;34;22
CJ
So al you are.
00;53;34;22 - 00;53;40;02
Speaker 2
And I don't I don't believe that the teams that beat us have better players than we.
00;53;40;02 - 00;53;41;18
CJ
Have. Well, listen, I.
00;53;41;21 - 00;53;42;03
Speaker 2
Don't believe.
00;53;42;03 - 00;53;45;19
CJ
That. I don't know that to be true or not true, but just preaching to the choir.
00;53;45;20 - 00;53;50;05
Speaker 2
Okay, well, we will say it was a terrible year coaching there because that's what I'm telling you. It was a terrible year.
00;53;50;06 - 00;53;52;20
CJ
Well, this conversation could have been cut short because when.
00;53;52;26 - 00;53;55;06
Speaker 2
That was starting, the conversation being, okay, well.
00;53;55;06 - 00;53;56;19
CJ
You don't want your brain with your hair on.
00;53;56;19 - 00;54;02;18
Speaker 2
Fire. I didn't say the head coach needed to change. I said our coaching strategies and philosophies have to change.
00;54;02;19 - 00;54;28;15
CJ
Listen, you're absolutely right. I think there will be changes on this coaching staff. I hope that it bear the fruit that it needs to bear in order for this team to make up the gap between where they were in 2024 and where they ended up in 2025. We'll see if that pays dividends. But again, there was some logical things that happened with this program this year that we weren't good enough to overcome.
00;54;28;20 - 00;54;31;14
CJ
And the biggest one I think is coaching.
00;54;31;16 - 00;54;35;19
Speaker 2
Okay. It's coaching. That's the biggest one we had to overcome okay. We didn't overcome.
00;54;35;19 - 00;54;42;27
CJ
Then the second biggest one is that you made a gamble on a quarterback who you say you you.
00;54;42;27 - 00;54;58;26
Speaker 2
Don't use correctly. Listen you didn't use correctly. Let's just say that Walter should have been used the way he was against the Kansas State Wildcats. That's he should have been used that way from the beginning of the year. And you know what? They did not use him that.
00;54;58;26 - 00;54;59;15
CJ
Way, Alfred.
00;54;59;17 - 00;55;11;08
Speaker 2
And therefore we struggled. We we we had a quarterback shuffle. We've had three different guys play the position when that should have been that kid's position from the beginning. You just never gave him a plan.
00;55;11;08 - 00;55;12;17
CJ
It was that kid's position film.
00;55;12;18 - 00;55;32;05
Speaker 2
No, it was not. When you have juju starting for, starting two games there at the end, that clearly tells you, that it was not his position. And the other kid, it was started against the University of Houston. Stop. So stop because I started against University of Houston. So clearly it wasn't his position, you know? Don't give me that shit.
00;55;32;05 - 00;55;42;17
Speaker 2
I'm telling you right now. Right now. Right now, our coaches screwed those players that were at the University of Colorado last year. Wow. Period. That's what I'm doing with that.
00;55;42;21 - 00;55;43;16
CJ
That's fine bro.
00;55;43;17 - 00;55;43;26
Speaker 2
Okay.
00;55;44;02 - 00;55;44;17
CJ
That's fine.
00;55;44;17 - 00;55;59;23
Speaker 2
And now we got to get him back. We got to do a better job preparing these kids to play big time football in big time situations. We just have to do better and that's not going to cut it. Whatever that shit was last year is not going to cut it. That's just not going to cut it.
00;56;00;02 - 00;56;19;12
CJ
And I will tell you this, I watched the quote, I know a little bit about quarterback play. The kid just wasn't consistently good when he had opportunities to be. So yes, coaching has to be better, but oh, these aren't little kids. This guy made almost $1 million this year, I understand. Okay then. So listen as much, listen, listen as much as you want to make.
00;56;19;12 - 00;56;28;09
Speaker 2
Sure that I said about NFL, NFL, organizations that screw over players just because the players are getting paid doesn't mean that they don't need good coaches.
00;56;28;10 - 00;56;29;08
CJ
Yes, they do, and I will.
00;56;29;08 - 00;56;32;04
Speaker 2
They need great coaching to match the great athletes.
00;56;32;05 - 00;56;43;00
CJ
I know you think this is part one of football. You cry when teams lose Senior Day this isn't Pop Warner football. You're right. Coaching has to be better and the play has to be better. Can we agree on that?
00;56;43;02 - 00;56;50;06
Speaker 2
Well listen don't put players in bad positions where they don't understand and know how it's going to end.
00;56;50;06 - 00;56;53;08
CJ
What if you want a good position and you just throw the ball over the guy's head?
00;56;53;10 - 00;57;02;11
Speaker 2
Sometimes that happens. Or maybe you say, hey, let's not get in a position where we're throwing the ball over, that guy's here. Let's, let's do something that's different than skill set.
00;57;02;11 - 00;57;03;23
CJ
Better, man. I'm not going to I'm not going to.
00;57;03;27 - 00;57;05;17
Speaker 2
I'm just telling you, man. Like, you know, I just.
00;57;05;18 - 00;57;06;13
CJ
I think you're going.
00;57;06;19 - 00;57;31;29
Speaker 2
To see the way that this season ended. I mean, it was it was maybe one of the most disappointing seasons. Of my fandom, you know, because I, I knew with that offensive line that we had. Okay, I knew that what the defensive line that we had, we didn't we didn't do a good job replacing our linebackers. We didn't do a good job replacing our safeties.
00;57;31;29 - 00;57;33;08
CJ
So do you talk in personnel?
00;57;33;09 - 00;57;46;00
Speaker 2
I'm ten like we had we had, but we had a good defensive line. We had solid play at corner at times. We should have been playing zone when we were playing, man. It's just it's just the combination of it all.
00;57;46;01 - 00;57;48;06
CJ
So let's get it wrong. We can we did we can agree.
00;57;48;06 - 00;57;48;25
Speaker 2
On this man.
00;57;48;28 - 00;57;55;22
CJ
We can agree we clearly it didn't work. We can agree on these two things. Coaching has to be better. You would agree.
00;57;55;22 - 00;57;57;26
Speaker 2
We got to be a lot better okay. It's got to be a lot better.
00;57;57;26 - 00;57;59;25
CJ
And the play has to be better.
00;57;59;27 - 00;58;04;13
Speaker 2
The play has to be the play. The let's start. Let's start with the coaching. We just need the coach.
00;58;04;15 - 00;58;05;06
CJ
We just did.
00;58;05;07 - 00;58;18;22
Speaker 2
I mean there's no there's no no frickin way we should have lost to BYU. No fucking way I know, man, but there's no freaking way we should allow. We had way more talent than the BYU Cougars. I think way more time.
00;58;18;22 - 00;58;20;07
CJ
I think you way over.
00;58;20;09 - 00;58;31;15
Speaker 2
I'm telling you right now, we had way more talent. And that's the way, you know what we should have beat. We should have beat to start the season Georgia Tech. That's right. Three turnovers in the plus territory. We got seven.
00;58;31;15 - 00;58;33;03
CJ
Points. Listen I'm like.
00;58;33;03 - 00;58;35;17
Speaker 2
What are we doing here. What are we talking about man I.
00;58;35;17 - 00;58;47;03
CJ
Mean I agree the coaching has to be better and the play has to be better. We agree on that. All I'm saying is keep your powder dry. Stop running around like your hair is on fire in the sand.
00;58;47;03 - 00;58;58;23
Speaker 2
I don't know how this is. I mean, he said them. The head coach said that it's going to be better and it's up to him. And I can't wait to see the change that he makes. I'm excited to see that we're going to have changes. Well, so excited to see.
00;58;58;23 - 00;58;59;11
CJ
He say that.
00;58;59;14 - 00;59;21;00
Speaker 2
That we won't have the same shit that we had the last two years or last. Yeah, the last two years. We need to changes. We need changes. It should have happened. And because it didn't happen, we're sitting here sitting around, wondering what does it look like? And I just don't I just don't believe that's the position that we should be in right now.
00;59;21;01 - 00;59;22;21
Speaker 2
Do you think I don't believe that we should be in.
00;59;22;21 - 00;59;28;09
CJ
This, but do you have confidence that he can make the necessary moves to get it back on track? I don't know.
00;59;28;11 - 00;59;37;20
Speaker 2
Okay, I don't know. I'm being 100% honest with you. Because if I had 100% confidence and he wouldn't have let this get let this happen like it did this year, okay?
00;59;37;22 - 00;59;40;01
CJ
I mean, listen, I hear you and.
00;59;40;01 - 00;59;40;28
Speaker 2
You agree you're.
00;59;40;28 - 00;59;41;24
CJ
Not completely.
00;59;41;27 - 00;59;44;25
Speaker 2
Women. And do you agree?
00;59;44;27 - 00;59;45;09
CJ
Yeah I.
00;59;45;09 - 00;59;46;15
Speaker 2
Agree okay. Yeah. All right.
00;59;46;15 - 01;00;02;02
CJ
Yeah, yeah I think I think again when you, when you return one starter on offense and I think maybe 1 or 2 on defense, you kind of it's going to the challenge is greater for your coaching staff. Let's put it that way. And they did not meet the challenge. How about that. How about there.
01;00;02;04 - 01;00;15;21
Speaker 2
Let me ask you this. How many returning starters are going to be part of the top? The the the 12 teams that are going to be playing in the college playoff system. What do you believe the percentages of returning starters are on those 12 team?
01;00;15;22 - 01;00;18;06
CJ
I don't know, but I can tell you this.
01;00;18;08 - 01;00;34;04
Speaker 2
What do you believe? What do you believe? Do you think it's going to be 20%? 30%? Is that what they want? You know, it's going to be somewhere between 30 and 40% of them will be returning starters. Maybe. Maybe that's a high number. That's a high number in in the transfer portal days.
01;00;34;04 - 01;00;51;02
CJ
Here's what I tell you. Here's what I would bet that the percentage of starters returning will be commensurate with their budgets to pay players. I would guarantee that. That's the one thing I can tell you that I'm.
01;00;51;05 - 01;00;53;15
Speaker 2
Quote you saying that we didn't have the budget to play.
01;00;53;15 - 01;01;11;18
CJ
No no no no no no. What I'm saying is in today's college football, you buy depth. Everyone for the most part, can afford front line players, but you buy depth. And so look, this isn't about making excuses. This is about looking at the reality of what we're dealing with, I think.
01;01;11;18 - 01;01;15;22
Speaker 2
Are you saying that we have. Are you saying that we have a deficiency?
01;01;15;25 - 01;01;17;02
CJ
A deficiency in what?
01;01;17;04 - 01;01;21;25
Speaker 2
In funding. Why did you say that shit? I mean, why did you make a statement like that?
01;01;21;27 - 01;01;30;28
CJ
Look, I don't need to explain to you that Q isn't. You know, we're not the program that's running around with the deepest pockets. Do I need to explain? I don't need to explain that to you.
01;01;31;01 - 01;01;36;00
Speaker 2
No, no. We don't. You don't have to explain that. But I'm asking you, why are you bringing this up right now?
01;01;36;00 - 01;01;39;00
CJ
Because it's relevant in today's college football. See, I.
01;01;39;05 - 01;01;43;17
Speaker 2
The is a team that the deepest pockets.
01;01;43;20 - 01;01;47;22
CJ
I don't know how the. I don't know what kind of financial commitment Indiana made.
01;01;47;25 - 01;01;50;11
Speaker 2
Indiana has probably I think in the end don't.
01;01;50;11 - 01;01;52;15
CJ
Even say it because you don't know. You don't have a.
01;01;52;18 - 01;02;10;09
Speaker 2
I'm going to tell you this, I believe Indiana right now, coaching staff is playing with a full deck. And they got you know what? They don't have four aces. They may have eight aces. Because the way that they win games is different than all the other teams that are out there winning games.
01;02;10;09 - 01;02;24;22
CJ
When Indiana loses their quarterback, who may be the first pick of the draft, and lose all those front line seniors that transfer to that program with that coach, then let's evaluate. Let's compare the comparison you're making now. Make sense? Let's do.
01;02;24;22 - 01;02;26;06
Speaker 2
It. Let's do it. Like, so, you.
01;02;26;09 - 01;02;26;23
CJ
Know, you're.
01;02;26;23 - 01;02;30;25
Speaker 2
Saying that we're at the zenith for Indiana right now. That's what you're saying.
01;02;30;25 - 01;02;33;10
CJ
Yes. I think this is this is a top end.
01;02;33;10 - 01;02;36;09
Speaker 2
What about what about A&M? This is that coach's third.
01;02;36;09 - 01;02;46;23
CJ
Year in A, and M is one of the traditional Bluebloods. Listen, teams like A&M have been playing players for the last 40 years bro. That's not why why.
01;02;47;00 - 01;02;49;11
Speaker 2
Why you why you raise your voice? Because you're getting.
01;02;49;11 - 01;02;52;12
CJ
On my nerves, man. Because you acting like a child in here. I'm not.
01;02;52;12 - 01;03;05;10
Speaker 2
I'm just. I'm just saying. I'm just saying that. Look, man, good coaching is is rewarded by wins, and bad coaching is punishable by losses. And that's just the way it goes.
01;03;05;11 - 01;03;21;22
CJ
You sound like a broken record, man. I'm really breaking that. Great goodness. Great. Let's talk about some different man that did you see? By the way, I want to get on this Nil stuff. And people like you crying about how college football has been ruined because I did.
01;03;21;22 - 01;03;33;27
Speaker 2
Not say that I love nil, I love I love the fact that the players are getting paid. I love the fact that Lane Kiffin just got monster paid and leaving his team high and dry. Let you.
01;03;33;27 - 01;03;34;23
CJ
Love that. Look.
01;03;34;23 - 01;03;50;18
Speaker 2
I you know what, I love it. Let's just go ahead and say what it is baby. Let's just go see what it is. Not so we can stop all this shenanigans about loyalty. Let's stop all this. Talk about it ain't got nothing to do a ain't got nothing to do with loyalty. Okay? This is about the highest BS.
01;03;50;19 - 01;03;51;22
CJ
Has it ever had anything to do?
01;03;51;22 - 01;03;53;01
Speaker 2
Loyal? Oh, yes it was.
01;03;53;01 - 01;03;54;01
CJ
That's so interesting.
01;03;54;04 - 01;03;55;18
Speaker 2
Yes it was. I mean.
01;03;55;21 - 01;03;57;12
CJ
How many teams, how many? When I say.
01;03;57;13 - 01;04;16;17
Speaker 2
When I stayed, when I stayed at the University of Colorado rather than in a myself into the NFL draft where I likely would have been a first round draft pick after a junior. My loyalty was to you and my other guys that I came in with as a freshman to finish out the process. That's loyalty.
01;04;16;17 - 01;04;32;23
CJ
Okay. So okay, so when when the coach 35 years ago decided to jump ship because the team across the street paid him a little bit more money, was that who was who was loyal to me? You just you just I.
01;04;32;25 - 01;04;34;13
Speaker 2
Wasn't loyal to the University of Colorado.
01;04;34;13 - 01;04;34;29
CJ
He was. What now?
01;04;35;01 - 01;04;36;02
Speaker 2
He was loyal to the university.
01;04;36;05 - 01;04;37;01
CJ
And I was still.
01;04;37;01 - 01;04;40;09
Speaker 2
Did offers from other schools. But he was loyal to the university.
01;04;40;09 - 01;04;47;21
CJ
He was loyal to the University of Colorado and even the great, the late, great Bill McCartney had a moment that you remember quite.
01;04;47;24 - 01;04;48;10
Speaker 2
Absolutely.
01;04;48;10 - 01;04;57;05
CJ
Vividly when he was this close to taking that job at SMU. This close, I remember. Okay, so listen, I know we had.
01;04;57;07 - 01;04;58;18
Speaker 2
Baylor came calling too.
01;04;58;18 - 01;05;02;14
CJ
I know we had this. We have this sort of ready state.
01;05;02;18 - 01;05;08;24
Speaker 2
And the university, I think, coughed up the money and paid him what he was. Do, but he stayed.
01;05;08;29 - 01;05;28;06
CJ
How many players do you think? How many players you think made decisions back in 1987? I was senior year. Our freshman year, our freshman at the University of Colorado. How many players across the country you think made decisions on where they went to school because of the bag? It don't take that less than.
01;05;28;08 - 01;05;32;22
Speaker 2
Less than maybe less than 100. What less than 100?
01;05;32;25 - 01;05;37;19
CJ
We had a whole conference just a few years prior to it had went defunct because they were paying.
01;05;37;23 - 01;05;44;07
Speaker 2
Everybody asked me, you asking me? I'm saying maybe there were 100 guys getting paid. I wasn't one of them, but maybe.
01;05;44;09 - 01;05;45;22
CJ
You kidding me? I don't know.
01;05;45;22 - 01;05;46;11
Speaker 2
Was it more?
01;05;46;17 - 01;06;01;07
CJ
Here's a list. Here is the thing I love. I know we love to romanticize about how period the gig you pay. Not a hell, I think I'll pay. Okay. I didn't get paid, but that's, you know, this. Don't play this. I didn't get too many games that my.
01;06;01;07 - 01;06;02;04
Speaker 2
Teammates got paid.
01;06;02;04 - 01;06;03;13
CJ
How many? How many teams?
01;06;03;13 - 01;06;05;23
Speaker 2
All you money. Let go. Well that's different.
01;06;05;23 - 01;06;06;23
CJ
No, it's not different because.
01;06;06;23 - 01;06;07;03
Speaker 2
Sometimes.
01;06;07;08 - 01;06;12;21
CJ
I'm not talking about C, I'm talking about college sports. Period. How many teams offered you money.
01;06;12;23 - 01;06;13;03
Speaker 2
As the.
01;06;13;03 - 01;06;19;18
CJ
Majority of them. Yeah okay. So so don't tell me about 100. You think he was just one of 100 players were getting offered that money?
01;06;19;18 - 01;06;25;16
Speaker 2
I was one of the top 100 players in the country, so I, I would imagine the other 99 probably got some offers as well.
01;06;25;16 - 01;06;28;23
CJ
What about the second best 100, do you think they got offers? You think I don't know.
01;06;29;00 - 01;06;31;16
Speaker 2
I don't know, here's that 100 for a reason.
01;06;31;16 - 01;06;42;25
CJ
Here's the problem with how we and this gets into how we view and analyze today's college sports. We romanticize about how pure the game was back there. Hey, no to everyone. It wasn't as pure as you think it was.
01;06;42;26 - 01;06;43;23
Speaker 2
Oh, no, it.
01;06;43;23 - 01;06;44;18
CJ
Wasn't his peers, you.
01;06;44;22 - 01;06;45;17
Speaker 2
Know.
01;06;45;19 - 01;06;46;15
CJ
So let's get off.
01;06;46;15 - 01;06;48;12
Speaker 2
Our high horse, idiot. I'm not that. It's.
01;06;48;13 - 01;07;14;22
CJ
So let's get off our high horse and talk about how ruined the game were or is now. Look, there was nothing more heartbreaking to me than to hear of a young man who starred, who was a star player in a big in a big eight university. One of the teams that we competed against. Who? Dad, who? Mom at pass who dad was homeless when the dad finally had a chance to come watch one game.
01;07;14;24 - 01;07;32;25
CJ
Now you're talking about entering a stadium where all the jerseys was this kid's jerseys. The university is making mine on national television audience watching the game. Who was the player and the homeless father had to sneak into the game. He had to sneak his dad into his dorm the night before the game for you to have a place to stay.
01;07;32;27 - 01;07;50;06
CJ
That was yesterday's college football, which I think was an abomination. Way better today, as disorganized at most days. Least a mom can go watch a kid play because she can afford to. Now, look, I don't want to hear about this. We. Oh, you talking to. I'm talking to you.
01;07;50;06 - 01;07;51;27
Speaker 2
Are you talking to Mrs. Snuffer, lover?
01;07;51;27 - 01;07;54;25
CJ
Guess what the fuck just happened here. I'm just.
01;07;54;25 - 01;08;02;21
Speaker 2
I'm telling you, I love today's football. I even said I love what Lane Kiffin did. And you're talking to me like, I. I don't agree with what's going on here.
01;08;02;21 - 01;08;04;27
CJ
Because you mentioned this word loyalty.
01;08;04;27 - 01;08;07;29
Speaker 2
There's no loyalty anymore. Let's just I say when there's no.
01;08;07;29 - 01;08;08;23
CJ
Loyalty.
01;08;08;23 - 01;08;19;03
Speaker 2
Back there was loyalty back in the time before. And I IL and all of this other stuff, I mean, there was there was romanticism about today.
01;08;19;04 - 01;08;22;20
CJ
Yes, exactly. Okay, okay. Revisionist history and all.
01;08;22;23 - 01;08;29;09
Speaker 2
This is the business of college sports, the business of college sports has always been dirty. It's always been.
01;08;29;16 - 01;08;30;07
CJ
Let's say that.
01;08;30;08 - 01;08;39;05
Speaker 2
It's always been steady. It's, you know, and for the last, for the last 30 years, it's become ugly. Not not just dirty, but ugly.
01;08;39;05 - 01;08;39;22
CJ
And I was.
01;08;39;25 - 01;09;04;25
Speaker 2
And you know what? The ones that sit at the top of, the paradigm have made the most money. And then the most protective of their turf. And finally, we had Supreme Court rulings that have struck that down, that have made, movement easier. Payment easier. And for that, I am grateful for those who believe that this is the right, path and pursued it.
01;09;05;02 - 01;09;09;13
Speaker 2
And because I wish it was, I wish that it was available for me back when I was playing.
01;09;09;13 - 01;09;23;01
CJ
And I will say this, I agree with you 100%. But again, we tend to compare an age in which we define as the Loyola age of college was crap. That's correct. No, it was always about money. Don't. There's a difference, man.
01;09;23;02 - 01;09;23;20
Speaker 2
Listen, let's.
01;09;23;20 - 01;09;45;08
CJ
Distribution of the money just change, that's all. Let's listen. Said of all the money I see you going to building incredible facilities, which I love. It's being distributed out to the labor or the guys who are actually playing something. And we're here because the NCAA was so damn greedy that they didn't get ahead of this 15, 20 years ago and say, hey, listen, this is getting out of hand.
01;09;45;08 - 01;09;56;28
CJ
We're going to have to share some of this revenue. They were too damn greedy to do it because they loved all the millions that were bringing in. They loved building these monuments on campus at the athletics department, which was.
01;09;56;28 - 01;09;58;20
Speaker 2
Also running in a deficit.
01;09;58;27 - 01;09;59;24
CJ
Exactly.
01;09;59;24 - 01;10;02;04
Speaker 2
Because they're building out new facilities every year.
01;10;02;06 - 01;10;03;18
CJ
That's right. Now that's going to stop.
01;10;03;19 - 01;10;04;23
Speaker 2
That's done.
01;10;04;25 - 01;10;08;28
CJ
As well. It should. But and and so the revenue for the revenue was being saved. I love that.
01;10;08;28 - 01;10;28;08
Speaker 2
But let me let me tell you what I think that you're really, really missing about today's football. That really makes it so much better than, oh, better. I like football than when we were playing. Okay, okay, I'm going to mention a player and I'm going to I don't know if he is okay with me, mention his name, but I'm going to mention his name.
01;10;28;10 - 01;10;37;17
Speaker 2
The big eight freshman of the year in 1986 was Ossie Oliver, right? Ossie Oliver was one of the best running backs I have ever seen play the position.
01;10;37;18 - 01;10;39;16
CJ
Oh. See, Oliver.
01;10;39;17 - 01;11;02;04
Speaker 2
Okay. Got stuck in a running back competition. Got hurt. My freshman year. Eric Barnum steps in. J.J. Flanagan steps in. Mike Pritchard steps in. Ozzie Oliver comes back in. Is this place now? If he would have had an open portal back when he was, playing football after having the success as he had as a freshman? Yep.
01;11;02;11 - 01;11;23;14
Speaker 2
He would have been free to move around and go and play football the next season someplace else that would have had him. That's okay. But instead we had a restrictive system that said if you transfer, you will lose a year of eligibility, right? That is such a that that was such bullshit. That whole system was such bullshit.
01;11;23;15 - 01;11;24;24
CJ
Good. So then we agree.
01;11;24;24 - 01;11;52;11
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. So so so the player restriction, the coaches use that against the players. The coaches use that against the players. When we were in while we were in school, all the way up until we got movement, free movement in college football. And that's when the portal happened. Up until then, you had the coach could hold this over your head until you were out the door and he could take away your time.
01;11;52;11 - 01;12;00;12
Speaker 2
And there was no consequences from, from, his side. If he said you didn't play, you didn't play, and you set your ass back there and you watched.
01;12;00;12 - 01;12;01;03
CJ
And couldn't go in there.
01;12;01;03 - 01;12;16;09
Speaker 2
It couldn't go anywhere. And some of them and some of my teammates, even with the great Bill McCartney, some of my teammates were sat down as seniors. And that is not cool. It's not cool. And they didn't have the opportunity to transfer because they were already out of eligibility.
01;12;16;09 - 01;12;17;01
CJ
That's exactly.
01;12;17;01 - 01;12;29;07
Speaker 2
Right. So I, I, you you you you ask me, do I love what's happening right now? Not only do I love it, I think that it is the best thing to have happen to college athletics, in general.
01;12;29;07 - 01;12;48;26
CJ
Well, and I agree, and that's why I when you say treat words like loyalty trigger me because while there, while loyalty is defined different by different people in this may not be the age of loyalty. I don't know when there was an age of loyalty. At least now we have trans parents. Yes, like we were that's still out there.
01;12;48;26 - 01;12;49;04
CJ
Yes.
01;12;49;10 - 01;12;50;15
Speaker 2
I love the transparency.
01;12;50;15 - 01;12;54;13
CJ
And and we see what exactly what's happening. And I think that's good for the sport.
01;12;54;15 - 01;13;26;23
Speaker 2
I love that I love trans, I love the transparency more than I love the pay. Because you know what? Let's just say what it is, okay. Like, look, I'm going to get more money. They're going to give me more money, and I'm going to go and get more money from the next place. We have a, free agent system that is work for coaches and administrators and presidents and particular better than, it's work for anybody else, the players or basically labor.
01;13;26;23 - 01;13;41;04
Speaker 2
And they could not have freedom of movement. Dude, I am all about transparency. And I love the fact that Lane Kiffin got up and left Ole Miss because it was just a financial decision, bro.
01;13;41;06 - 01;13;49;10
CJ
Well, no, I won't. He just say that the only problem I got with Lane Kiffin is he say stupid shit. Like, I don't even know how much money I'm going to make. It's never about the Bama.
01;13;49;13 - 01;14;03;08
Speaker 2
I mean come on man. You know he knows. He knows. It's more than he had at Ole Miss okay. And each one of these players that I'm talking about at the University of Colorado leaving, it's going to get more money than they would have gotten from the University of Colorado.
01;14;03;09 - 01;14;04;05
CJ
That's the nature.
01;14;04;08 - 01;14;08;11
Speaker 2
And that's the nature of the business. That's the nature of the game. I'm okay with it, you know?
01;14;08;12 - 01;14;08;29
CJ
You know what a.
01;14;09;01 - 01;14;17;00
Speaker 2
Head coach, our head coach is making $9 million a year. You know, that puts him in the top 20 of all coaches in college football.
01;14;17;00 - 01;14;19;05
CJ
That's exactly right. That's exactly.
01;14;19;05 - 01;14;20;09
Speaker 2
Right. If you can get it, get it.
01;14;20;16 - 01;14;44;22
CJ
That's exactly right. And I'll tell you what. We'll save that for another show. I remember remind me that I'm going to tell you what at some point. But what I love about this conversation is that like like the conversations we've had over the past, you realize it's been almost 40 years, man, in 2020, in less than a year and a half of this, this friendship would have been, I'll never forget the day I met you two.
01;14;44;22 - 01;14;49;25
CJ
Missing. It scared the hell out of me in the college. And. And you were. You were greeting all the incoming lesbian.
01;14;50;02 - 01;14;52;17
Speaker 2
And I was like, let's move on. It's it's like.
01;14;52;23 - 01;15;05;21
CJ
Something. This dude, right, is special. But what I love about this man has been to for almost 40 years is we argue vigorously, man. But in probably 98% of the cases, you know, you always come around. Right now you just well.
01;15;05;21 - 01;15;10;00
Speaker 2
I mean, I'd usually start off on the right side. Therefore I'm on the right side.
01;15;10;03 - 01;15;11;06
CJ
No. You always come around.
01;15;11;06 - 01;15;14;17
Speaker 2
No, no, no, I'm on the right side. Therefore I don't have to come around.
01;15;14;23 - 01;15;37;15
CJ
Can I. Can I bring up one other subject? Oh, we go out of here. Go ahead. Did you see? You know, there's a show that that that's that airs on this very platform, Gorilla Sports. And it's the, the, the the the not the three. The not the three. Harris. The Harris's right. We're the Harris name. And it's Ryan Harris, Chris Harris, and they'll be here.
01;15;37;15 - 01;16;01;15
CJ
Yes. All three former Denver Broncos. Got to give a shout out to my frat brother, Chris Harris. But Shelby Harris now plays for the Cleveland Browns. Yes. And I don't know if you saw this I did see the. And we got the little clip of Shelby right here. Speaking on an incident that took place at the end of the Cleveland, 49, a San Francisco 40 niners game.
01;16;01;16 - 01;16;16;26
Speaker 3
He's a ho, and I want that known. Like I see why he got punched in the nuts, because that seems like he said some things that you should not say to another man. Ever. But like, I don't respect it because you say that being run behind your O-line, that's some real soft shit. And I want that. No, I see exactly why they punch you.
01;16;16;26 - 01;16;20;18
Speaker 3
Unless I'm surprised nobody punched them in a giant.
01;16;20;20 - 01;16;42;11
CJ
I gotta tell you, man, I absolutely love that. There's a lot that goes on in a pile or around the pile. But there are there are rules still that govern that. There's certain things you just don't do. And I love the fact that Shelby Harris called him the receiver for.
01;16;42;13 - 01;16;42;27
Speaker 2
49.
01;16;43;00 - 01;16;47;24
CJ
For the 40 Niners. Caught him up because he had been, I think, the game before last week. He has an.
01;16;47;24 - 01;16;48;15
Speaker 2
Antagonist.
01;16;48;16 - 01;16;54;09
CJ
He's an antagonist. I wanted to get your thoughts because you were a guy who,
01;16;54;12 - 01;17;17;02
Speaker 2
I talked a lot. I talked a lot. I, I was into it. That was part of my game. I didn't have to run behind the offensive line. I played on the defensive line. I never back down from a challenge. I had to learn how to play in this league. Once I did, then I could stand on my own two feet like all the other men that it played in this league and will play after me.
01;17;17;04 - 01;17;25;20
Speaker 2
But when you are a small person, if you are a small person and I'm talking about I'm talking about people who play on the perimeter, like,
01;17;25;27 - 01;17;27;14
CJ
Skilled position players.
01;17;27;16 - 01;17;36;11
Speaker 2
Well, we have big skills, we have small skills, the small skill guys, the wide receivers, the running backs, and including the quarterback.
01;17;36;11 - 01;17;37;05
CJ
Corners.
01;17;37;05 - 01;17;47;03
Speaker 2
Yeah, corners and safeties. The small skill positions. I would always, you know, this is this is Shelby. Shelby has it wrong.
01;17;47;05 - 01;17;47;27
CJ
He has it wrong.
01;17;47;28 - 01;18;15;00
Speaker 2
Here, let me tell you. Let me tell you why has it wrong? When I was playing in the league, I had a player that was talking shit to me, okay? And he was one of the small scale guys. And I was playing against his team. And their quarterback was a Hall of Fame quarterback. And I told him if he didn't shut the fuck up, I was going to knock his quarterback out.
01;18;15;00 - 01;18;32;27
Speaker 2
The game. I'll hit him late. I don't give a shit. I'll take the penalty and I'm just going to knock his ass out the game. I'm not going to fight you. I'm not going to fight you offensive lineman. I'm not. But I can guarantee you your quarterback's not going to finish a game. That's if I was Shelby. That's the way I would have took it.
01;18;32;29 - 01;18;47;06
Speaker 2
See, I wouldn't I wouldn't even know it was the player who started the nonsense. I would have finished it by knocking their quarterback off the game. That's the best way to hurt a franchise. If you want to hurt a franchise, knock their starting quarterback. What is that game?
01;18;47;07 - 01;18;51;05
CJ
Is is the objective to hurt a franchise? Yeah, it's.
01;18;51;07 - 01;19;06;05
Speaker 2
It's if if you feel like you have been disrespected and you play on a defensive side of the ball, the way that you get back at, at a, at a guy or an entire organization is by knocking the quarterback out the game. That's how you do it.
01;19;06;05 - 01;19;08;28
CJ
That, that that is oh that's crazy.
01;19;08;28 - 01;19;11;03
Speaker 2
Well, it can be crazy, but it can be true.
01;19;11;04 - 01;19;12;03
CJ
That's like saying.
01;19;12;04 - 01;19;16;11
Speaker 2
And you know what? You know what? We didn't have a lot of shit happen to us when we played for the Denver Broncos.
01;19;16;11 - 01;19;17;20
CJ
Well, wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.
01;19;17;21 - 01;19;29;25
Speaker 2
I'm telling you, there wasn't. No, there was no, there were no, there was no whole bunch of chiefs out against the Denver Broncos. Because I do believe every team that we played against knew that we would knock your quarterback out if you did some bullshit.
01;19;29;27 - 01;19;33;29
CJ
So you you were like a useless like a goon in hockey, right? You just go, then you go.
01;19;33;29 - 01;19;41;11
Speaker 2
You will play the game the right way or else we will punish you by knocking your quarterback out the game so you can like it or dislike.
01;19;41;11 - 01;19;41;28
CJ
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01;19;41;28 - 01;19;45;14
Speaker 2
That's how you're going to play the game the right way. We're going to be on the up and up.
01;19;45;14 - 01;19;51;18
CJ
So if someone we're not talking about playing a game, we're talking about someone disrespecting you verbally.
01;19;51;18 - 01;19;52;24
Speaker 2
That's why I'm taking it out on you.
01;19;52;28 - 01;19;53;10
CJ
After the.
01;19;53;10 - 01;19;58;25
Speaker 2
Play. I'm you know what? And I'll tell them and then I'll tell the quarterback I'm taking it out on your quarterback.
01;19;58;26 - 01;19;59;13
CJ
Okay, then.
01;19;59;15 - 01;20;04;17
Speaker 2
I'm going to hit his ass late at some point. I don't know when, but I'm gonna hit his ass at some point. I'm gonna knock his ass out.
01;20;04;17 - 01;20;05;26
CJ
But then they go knock your quarterback out.
01;20;06;00 - 01;20;10;16
Speaker 2
Okay, fine. Is it good luck trying to go trying to knock my quarterback out the game.
01;20;10;19 - 01;20;11;23
CJ
Why would you have better luck in there?
01;20;11;24 - 01;20;13;20
Speaker 2
Because I have control of it.
01;20;13;22 - 01;20;17;12
CJ
Well, they do to you. That makes no sense. Well, I think.
01;20;17;16 - 01;20;19;14
Speaker 2
That was that. Was that was my NFL.
01;20;19;14 - 01;20;25;18
CJ
Well, here's what I would tell you. I think you disagree with me because you were an for.
01;20;25;23 - 01;20;26;14
Speaker 2
Sure I was.
01;20;26;20 - 01;20;37;25
CJ
And in fact, we have we share a teammate from college who there was it all going back.
01;20;37;27 - 01;20;53;06
CJ
Can you explain know what happened with you, Eric Bieniemy no. You why can't you explain? Because. Because it didn't end when the season I know something had went terribly wrong. No, in the.
01;20;53;08 - 01;21;00;11
Speaker 2
Not going to talk about it. We're not going to talk about it. Let's just say we had a fierce competition.
01;21;00;13 - 01;21;02;06
CJ
We'll get to that some other day.
01;21;02;06 - 01;21;10;20
Speaker 2
Hey, man. But I'm telling you, I'm telling you, Shelby, I feel you understand exactly what happened there. But there's a way to stop all of that from ever happening.
01;21;10;20 - 01;21;13;16
CJ
Well, I think I think somebody suck them in his mouth out of.
01;21;13;16 - 01;21;17;28
Speaker 2
Probably beat it. I don't know, I don't know if that's, that that that's not going to he can't.
01;21;17;28 - 01;21;21;15
CJ
Go after the quarterback. Man. I illegally this in 1961.
01;21;21;15 - 01;21;22;11
Speaker 2
Of the two Super Bowls.
01;21;22;11 - 01;21;26;27
CJ
Dick Butkus you better not because you illegally knocked somebody's quarterback out.
01;21;26;29 - 01;21;30;03
Speaker 2
Beating the threat of knocking you. A quarterback was always out there.
01;21;30;04 - 01;21;32;28
CJ
Hey, man. Listen, bro, you hear me out today, bro?
01;21;33;01 - 01;21;38;15
Speaker 2
I'm exhausted. That ain't hard to do. You're only five, three, ten.
01;21;38;17 - 01;21;54;27
CJ
Hey, that does that does it for me. I'm sick of this guy. I can't take no more of them. I want to thank you. I hope you all had a wonderful, wonderful Thanksgiving and thank you for tuning in. Stay tuned for more episodes of the Big Al and CDJ podcast. Peace, everybody.